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I need your help to get to the year

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uh yeah man how you doing today's Monday

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States hither and

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this is Fade to block for kjcr in the

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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Thanksgiving week Happy Thanksgiving to

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Michael W Hall is back with us

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we're going to be discussing his new

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called core Secrets Dr Wilson Davis

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it's always good to hear from Jack and

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by 2030 the world will generate around a

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stacked all the way to Mars now the

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booming growth of data right now has

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prompted the governors of the metric

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system to agree on new prefixes beyond

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government's worldwide meeting at the

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general conference on weights and

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my cousin Vinnie outside of Paris on

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November 18th voted to introduce four

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new prefixes to the International System

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of Units the S.I with immediate effect

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binging on somebody uh Jessica just

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finish 1899 I'm on episode four right

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now but uh and a few things also White

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Lotus man I had to watch that and and uh

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just can't stop watching it the original

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TV series UFO right by uh Jerry and uh

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great TV series got I got all sucked

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into that and uh here's the deal

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the whole show not the whole show but

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you know they're defending Earth from

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from UFOs right that are coming in from

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the moon it's got these little

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interceptors and they're really cool one

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missile that's all they got on the front

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you know we're getting ready to build a

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the moon right United States

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why don't we have that

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why don't we have interceptors up to her

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not for UFOs for asteroids

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right asteroid come to our

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interceptor's launch red alert and and

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head out and why why don't we do that

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doesn't that make sense

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so anyway anyway so that was my weekend

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show cracking on this day in history

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big day Thomas Edison announces his

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which is you know in the middle of a

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comeback a bit of a Renaissance

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but it lasted until when did CDs come

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out

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mid 80s 85 86 87 88 somewhere in there

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and uh and now CDs are gone who would

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have thought right CDs came and went CDs

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actually sounded pretty good they sucked

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compared to albums they suck compared to

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analog

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but they sound great compared to mp3s so

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what are you gonna do right it's an MP3

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here you go

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fader fact

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the American hippo bill

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let me see that again in case

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the American

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hippo bill

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was an attempt

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to introduce hippos

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into the bayous of Louisiana

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can you imagine

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it was a real thing man 1910 the

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American hippo bill go look it up go

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tonight we have very special guest

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Michael W Hall is here

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it's going to be with us at the bottom

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of the hour he's got a new book coming

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out it's called core secrets about the

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Wilson Davis document and uh we're gonna

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do the Deep dive into the book Michael

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um now we'll we'll talk about it but but

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he's been around this thing since the

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beginning so uh so we'll we'll go

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through all of that tonight Michael will

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be with us at the bottom of the hour

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tomorrow night Jack Roth is here uh for

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the anniversary of the JFK assassination

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to talk about his new book and it's

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called Killing Kennedy it was released

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back on November 15th and Jack you may

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remember he's been on Fade to Black a

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couple of times but as the producer of

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one of the films I did uh last year a

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couple years ago was it last year

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extraordinary the revelations I narrated

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the film I wasn't in the film I narrated

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the film but that's Jack Roth and he's

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also an author a great author and this

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is his new book it's about the Kennedy

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assassination and he'll be here with us

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tomorrow night to uh talk about the book

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it's a it's a great book it's a great

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read all right there you go that's

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tomorrow night and then Wednesday is

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fader night can we do fader night last

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Wednesday or is it Thursday that was the

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week before well this week it's on

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Wednesday because Thursday is

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Thanksgiving

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and I'm taking the day off to cook some

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turkey

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River Moon coffee River

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moonwellness.com yeah

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all right

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f2b blend there it is 15 off of your

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order the best coffee in the world

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Cassandra Graham you are so the CD was

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released to the public in 1982.

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yeah in the music world

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especially here in La it was still about

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cassettes you know bands had their demo

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tapes you know on cassettes and uh a CD

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to get a CD of your because they didn't

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have recordable CDs back then you got to

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think about that right you had to have

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it manufactured so CDs were out of the

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price point of any band so we were stuck

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with cassettes uh bands didn't unless

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you had a major label release you your

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stuff wasn't on CD uh until the late 80s

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that's just the way to that's why I'm

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thinking 1980

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88

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you know yeah but yeah released in 82

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Phillips I think did it Phillips and

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Sony right right okay where am I at oh

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oh

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um

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uh you know what I'm gonna I have to

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look something up really quick

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um and there's a reason why I am looking

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let me pop in documentary there you go

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all right

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and it is called yeah okay here we go

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all right got it

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right

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[Applause]

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over the weekend

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I watched uh wow I watched one of those

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True Crime Netflix documentary

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miniseries love them most of them

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and there was one uh popped up and you

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know and I was like man this is going to

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be good I can already feel it

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and it was called Fugitive

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The Curious Case of Carlos

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g-h-o-s-n I think it's gone but anyway

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uh he

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well I guess he's still a businessman uh

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ex-business man he

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um

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uh

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was from I think Lebanon I think that's

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where he is now lived in France for a

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while lived in Brazil for a while lived

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in Japan for a while he was uh the CEO

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of Michelin North America he was

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chairman and CEO of Renault in France

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and uh chairman of autovas chairman and

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CEO of Nissan

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and also Mitsubishi Motors but this

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documentary is based on what went down

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uh while he was CEO of Renault and or

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and uh so

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you know this guy was like a

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he was like a god

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in Japan and so he arrives in Japan

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Nissan is failing

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and uh you know they're just not

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performing uh like they used to when

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they were Dachshund and so he shows up

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in Japan okay so he's working for

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Renault

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and they work out this thing where

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Renault is going to invest inject some

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money into Nissan and to make sure that

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their money is is handled correctly they

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send Carlos over to run the company in

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Japan so he does they're not partners

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they're investors

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so he goes to Japan and uh ends up you

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know getting control of Nissan he's

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controlling the money and he turns the

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company around

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and now this this this last for quite a

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bit like 17 years or something

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um and about 12 years into this now

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he has got so much juice the the CEO and

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the chairman of Renault who's getting up

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there in years

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um his mentor you know uh apronal

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um he's eventually going to retire now

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who who replaces him over we're not well

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he turns around

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and he says I want Carlos

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I want Carlos to run Renault so Carl

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says I will

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all right so give me uh I'll I'll be the

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CEO for no uh I'll Remain the CEO of

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Nissan for a couple of months take my

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word on this and then I'll find my

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successor for Nissan and I'll come back

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to France wow

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so this is what the documentary is about

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this so this is now

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um 17 years it's a long time

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and now where am I going with all of

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this and what does that have to do with

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us well it has everything to do with us

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and I'll explain why

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so

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he doesn't give up Nissan and he says I

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can be the CEO of both companies at the

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same time I can run Renault out of

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France I can rent he's on airplanes he's

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flying around the world the United

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States France Japan doing his thing well

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this upsets the Japanese

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and the Japanese then

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start looking into his finances

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his past

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and they eventually charge him he had

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started all of these like shell

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companies and he was moving money around

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um and because he had so much power in

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Japan nobody was saying anything and he

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was buying homes and things and stuff

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and cars and jewelry and and uh and and

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you can see this transformation in him

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but anyway

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they arrest him

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he goes to jail and he's in jail in

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Japan

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uh for a year maybe longer maybe two

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years wait but in Japan that's it once

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you go to jail you go to jail and then

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you go to court and then you get

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convicted of the crime you you're not

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found innocent ever so once you're

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arrested that's it it's over to that's

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it and uh but eventually

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um he makes bail

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he gets out of jail and they smuggle him

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out of

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Japan in a flight case

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in a private chat he makes it over to

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Lebanon where he is still there today

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um and the point that the Japanese were

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making and this includes Renault

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um you can't be a CEO of two companies

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how do you run two companies

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how do you do it

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how are you the CEO you know Renault and

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Nissan how is that possible

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well I started thinking about this this

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weekend

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um with after watching this documentary

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too about Elon Musk

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now you have Elon where you've got

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SpaceX you've got neural link you've got

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Tesla now you've got Twitter and

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whatever else he's got going on by the

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way

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how can you be an effective manager and

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CEO of such large and important

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companies

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how can you do that now if I'm

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if you know if the board of directors of

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Tesla and and the stock is falling I'm

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not saying that it is I think it did a

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little bit or anything else

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who's running the company

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and all of the attention is his

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attention is on Twitter

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and what if it went the other way what

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if he left Twitter after everything that

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has gone down

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um and and went back started to focus on

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Tesla or SpaceX again neuralink whatever

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starlink remember that he's got all of

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these things going on how is it possible

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that somebody can manage no you can't

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it's it's it's impossible I can't even

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run Fade to Black you know how I I can't

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imagine

531
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right so so

532
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um and you go and you watch this

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documentary The Curious Case of Carlos

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gone

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and Golson whatever his name is

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and apply that to what's going down

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today

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and is it possible these are publicly

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traded companies

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that the boards of some of these

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companies can go look our our main

542
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concern is the shareholders here

543
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and this is not working out for us right

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uh the value of this company is

545
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plummeted so I don't know

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I don't know Twitter's still there it's

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still running and I think

548
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um everybody having this death sentence

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00:31:27,769 --> 00:31:25,860
on Twitter over the weekend now I think

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you can run Twitter with the Skeleton

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Crew

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um I don't

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I don't and I'll disapprove of that man

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it I I think it sucks that people lost

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their jobs especially during the

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holidays but

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hey you could it's it's you know it's

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just code

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00:31:48,769 --> 00:31:45,659
um that's my opinion

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um but watching this Death Watch

561
00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:51,179
this morose death watch over the weekend

562
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with Twitter kind of just thinking about

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other things what what about Tesla what

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about SpaceX what about starlink

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and and neuralink and and these other

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too as well that's why you should go and

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check out the Curious Case of Carlos

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Netflix I'm Meryl's Jimmy church this is

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Fade to Black tonight Michael W Hall is

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with us we're going to be talking about

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his new book it's called core secrets

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about the Wilson Davis document tomorrow

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night Jack Roth is here very excited

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always great to have Jack on the show on

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the anniversary of the JFK assassination

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we're going to be talking about his new

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book Killing Kennedy Wednesday is

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another fader night with open lines all

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night long a very special fader

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Thanksgiving because Thursday

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I'm taking the day off

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Happy Thanksgiving everybody I'll be

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right back with our guest Michael W Hall

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stay with us

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[Music]

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all right Welcome Back Fade to Black I'm

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going to see me church tonight

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00:37:02,690 --> 00:37:01,200
Michael W Hall is here we're going to be

654
00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:02,700
discussing his new book it's called

655
00:37:09,890 --> 00:37:05,820
Court Secrets the Admiral Wilson UFO

656
00:37:12,050 --> 00:37:09,900
memo Smoking Gun leak of the century

657
00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:12,060
he's an attorney he's a doctor of

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jurisprudence and a former Superior

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Court Judge Pro tem a certified mediator

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and a founding partner of the hall Law

661
00:37:24,349 --> 00:37:21,780
Firm

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00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:24,359
he received his bachelor's degree in

663
00:37:29,690 --> 00:37:27,359
broadcast journalism in 1976 from

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00:37:33,890 --> 00:37:29,700
Washington State University and as

665
00:37:36,050 --> 00:37:33,900
Doctor of as JD degree from Southwestern

666
00:37:38,089 --> 00:37:36,060
Law School former vice president of

667
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,099
Puget Sound Christian College Michael

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00:37:41,870 --> 00:37:40,320
has taught legal seminars and conflict

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00:37:45,170 --> 00:37:41,880
management courses for the Washington

670
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,180
State Bar Association and the Boeing

671
00:37:50,750 --> 00:37:47,520
Management Association for the past 35

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00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:50,760
years has maintained a general legal and

673
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estate planning practice in Seattle

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00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,079
Washington I'd like to welcome back to

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fade to black our good friend there he

676
00:38:02,810 --> 00:38:00,480
is Michael W Hall you don't want to be

677
00:38:06,109 --> 00:38:02,820
confused with Michael C Hall you know

678
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:06,119
that's why the W is there right you got

679
00:38:10,190 --> 00:38:07,680
it Jimmy matter of fact there's another

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00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:10,200
attorney in my state Michael L Hall

681
00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:12,300
who's a great attorney and a great guy

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00:38:16,569 --> 00:38:14,760
so yeah I had to throw the W in there

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00:38:19,250 --> 00:38:16,579
you know

684
00:38:22,130 --> 00:38:19,260
it rolls off the tongue so nicely though

685
00:38:24,349 --> 00:38:22,140
good good how you been my friend what's

686
00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:24,359
going on out there in the world oh man

687
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:27,240
there is so much stuff going on as far

688
00:38:31,730 --> 00:38:29,760
as UFO disclosure

689
00:38:33,950 --> 00:38:31,740
um you know confirmations are coming in

690
00:38:36,410 --> 00:38:33,960
all over the place regarding this

691
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,420
Admiral Wilson document that that you

692
00:38:41,150 --> 00:38:38,880
helped Break by the way back when it

693
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:41,160
actually uh started to come come forth

694
00:38:45,710 --> 00:38:44,160
you were one of the guys who literally

695
00:38:48,050 --> 00:38:45,720
was able to

696
00:38:50,990 --> 00:38:48,060
um uh talk with Grant Cameron when he

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00:38:52,910 --> 00:38:51,000
initially found the document yeah so

698
00:38:54,589 --> 00:38:52,920
you've been in this game from the very

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00:38:56,810 --> 00:38:54,599
beginning and I really appreciate you

700
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:56,820
giving me an opportunity to kind of get

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00:39:01,310 --> 00:38:59,520
an update here to the folks and to uh

702
00:39:04,670 --> 00:39:01,320
maybe explain a little bit about this

703
00:39:07,970 --> 00:39:04,680
book that I'm writing that delves uh as

704
00:39:10,430 --> 00:39:07,980
a deep dive into that whole story do you

705
00:39:12,349 --> 00:39:10,440
know um and and thank you

706
00:39:14,890 --> 00:39:12,359
um uh I mean we've known each other for

707
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:14,900
a long time but um the

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00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:20,880
uh that moment uh when a grant uh

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00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:25,440
introduced me to you and uh it was so

710
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:27,359
funny because if you remember he was

711
00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:30,240
just freak you know he was shaking and

712
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,520
um he goes man I had the lawyer up and I

713
00:39:35,870 --> 00:39:34,320
was like well what's going on and you

714
00:39:37,609 --> 00:39:35,880
were there so you've heard the whole

715
00:39:41,450 --> 00:39:37,619
conversation I said man what's going on

716
00:39:43,790 --> 00:39:41,460
and he was he knew that he was sitting

717
00:39:47,450 --> 00:39:43,800
on something right and and and didn't

718
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,460
know how to uh navigate the waters uh

719
00:39:51,650 --> 00:39:49,440
going forward

720
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:51,660
um and as things

721
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:53,520
um started to reveal themselves and

722
00:39:55,130 --> 00:39:54,480
you're right

723
00:40:00,530 --> 00:39:55,140
um

724
00:40:04,670 --> 00:40:00,540
speaking if we turn back the clocks here

725
00:40:08,270 --> 00:40:04,680
uh Richard Dolan and I uh were the the

726
00:40:10,910 --> 00:40:08,280
first two guys uh to uh you know Richard

727
00:40:12,589 --> 00:40:10,920
had a few pages of the document prior to

728
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:12,599
that and he talked about it on the show

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00:40:17,089 --> 00:40:13,920
Michael

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00:40:19,490 --> 00:40:17,099
um many many many many years ago and I

731
00:40:21,650 --> 00:40:19,500
didn't know at the time

732
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:21,660
um and neither did he or you know what

733
00:40:26,510 --> 00:40:24,000
what these Pages were or were they you

734
00:40:28,490 --> 00:40:26,520
know what document they were from but he

735
00:40:32,270 --> 00:40:28,500
had been in possession of them for a

736
00:40:35,450 --> 00:40:32,280
while now and he had said to me

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00:40:38,030 --> 00:40:35,460
um and it's it's crazy how you can never

738
00:40:39,290 --> 00:40:38,040
predict the future right so I asked

739
00:40:46,010 --> 00:40:39,300
Richard

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00:40:48,410 --> 00:40:46,020
the one give me the one nugget the one

741
00:40:50,690 --> 00:40:48,420
thing that you never revealed to anybody

742
00:40:52,849 --> 00:40:50,700
what's that one thing right now right

743
00:40:54,530 --> 00:40:52,859
here right right on the show and he goes

744
00:40:57,470 --> 00:40:54,540
well you know I got this document I got

745
00:40:59,930 --> 00:40:57,480
this page of this document and and it

746
00:41:02,089 --> 00:40:59,940
said and he was referring to

747
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:02,099
the Wilson Davis document but he didn't

748
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:06,000
know right okay so fast forward

749
00:41:10,730 --> 00:41:09,119
um Richard knew then that this was you

750
00:41:14,329 --> 00:41:10,740
know the Smoking Gun

751
00:41:17,690 --> 00:41:14,339
so you and and Grant uh uh come up to me

752
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,700
and and and tell me not specifically

753
00:41:22,250 --> 00:41:19,440
what the document was but that you were

754
00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:22,260
in possession of something and that

755
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,460
um uh you needed a week or two to figure

756
00:41:31,069 --> 00:41:29,040
things out but then uh you guys would

757
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:31,079
show me the document and then I could

758
00:41:38,930 --> 00:41:33,119
run with it and do what I wanted with it

759
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:38,940
right and That Was Then holy crap

760
00:41:44,329 --> 00:41:42,240
um here we are today did you have any

761
00:41:47,450 --> 00:41:44,339
idea now let's back up I want to get

762
00:41:49,970 --> 00:41:47,460
into the history of it back when you and

763
00:41:51,650 --> 00:41:49,980
Grant came up to me had you read the

764
00:41:54,410 --> 00:41:51,660
document at that point

765
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,420
oh yeah yeah definitely that was at the

766
00:42:00,050 --> 00:41:57,119
conscious life Expo that we were talking

767
00:42:02,270 --> 00:42:00,060
with you uh down there in California

768
00:42:05,690 --> 00:42:02,280
um and yeah yeah I had already read

769
00:42:08,810 --> 00:42:05,700
actually the first time I I even got

770
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:08,820
involved in this thing was January

771
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:13,200
2nd of 2019 and I get this encrypted

772
00:42:18,170 --> 00:42:15,599
text over my phone which I've never

773
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,180
received an encrypted text before I had

774
00:42:22,430 --> 00:42:20,880
no idea what this was or who it was from

775
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:22,440
and I thought for sure it's probably

776
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,920
some creditor of mine going after me but

777
00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:28,079
anyway I I downloaded the material to be

778
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:31,320
able to unload this Cryptid uh text and

779
00:42:36,109 --> 00:42:34,079
it's from Grant Cameron and he says this

780
00:42:38,329 --> 00:42:36,119
is on January 2nd by the way

781
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,339
of 2019 from the very beginning before

782
00:42:41,930 --> 00:42:41,040
the camp before the Expo where we talked

783
00:42:46,849 --> 00:42:41,940
with you

784
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:46,859
and um he said uh Michael uh I'm uh I

785
00:42:51,710 --> 00:42:49,440
have a situation I'm about ready to drop

786
00:42:53,450 --> 00:42:51,720
a major UFO bomb

787
00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:53,460
and they need to run it by you as the

788
00:42:58,270 --> 00:42:56,520
Paranormal lawyer that's all he said

789
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:58,280
now I try to get back to him right away

790
00:43:04,910 --> 00:43:01,520
uh text voicemails you know everything

791
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:04,920
he didn't call me back for 10 days

792
00:43:09,770 --> 00:43:08,160
and I am thinking that he probably got

793
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,780
whacked you know and that was his last

794
00:43:14,210 --> 00:43:11,520
email that he probably got out before

795
00:43:16,569 --> 00:43:14,220
something happened drastic to him right

796
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:16,579
right right and how how

797
00:43:22,250 --> 00:43:19,280
uh how long before

798
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,260
uh the conscious life Expo was this

799
00:43:28,370 --> 00:43:24,480
because of the conscious life Expo was

800
00:43:30,530 --> 00:43:28,380
in February yes how what how how much in

801
00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:30,540
front of that date was this so this was

802
00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:33,420
January 2nd it was a little over a a

803
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:37,380
month okay uh before the the conscious

804
00:43:41,390 --> 00:43:39,119
life Expo

805
00:43:44,690 --> 00:43:41,400
um but I tell you what the buzz that

806
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:44,700
that Exposition uh conference was just

807
00:43:50,690 --> 00:43:48,240
massive uh everyone kind of knew or had

808
00:43:53,569 --> 00:43:50,700
the rumors that they heard about Grant

809
00:43:56,990 --> 00:43:53,579
having some kind of a major find in in

810
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:57,000
ufology and you were the one that was

811
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,520
able to uh buttonhole us and try to get

812
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:01,680
us uh get some information so you were

813
00:44:06,349 --> 00:44:04,319
like the first one in the media you know

814
00:44:09,170 --> 00:44:06,359
basically to get some idea that there's

815
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:09,180
something there and Grant I tell you

816
00:44:14,030 --> 00:44:12,480
what he was so paranoid

817
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,040
literally

818
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:16,319
um he had this document for six months

819
00:44:22,849 --> 00:44:18,960
you know before it was released on

820
00:44:24,109 --> 00:44:22,859
social media but um he was just tossing

821
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,119
and turning trying to figure out you

822
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:26,160
know what do you do if you literally

823
00:44:32,329 --> 00:44:29,520
have the Smoking Gun memo you know if

824
00:44:34,130 --> 00:44:32,339
you have the proof the confirmation of

825
00:44:36,109 --> 00:44:34,140
what's going on out there

826
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,119
you know how do you actually deal with

827
00:44:41,089 --> 00:44:38,400
that and what are those you know

828
00:44:43,069 --> 00:44:41,099
potential uh ramifications for doing it

829
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:43,079
as well so we had to do a lot of vetting

830
00:44:47,210 --> 00:44:44,960
but we had to do a lot of uh

831
00:44:49,730 --> 00:44:47,220
brainstorming on how to you know

832
00:44:52,670 --> 00:44:49,740
preserve this document how to protect

833
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:52,680
Grant and his family

834
00:44:56,450 --> 00:44:54,540
uh if something should happen to them

835
00:44:58,250 --> 00:44:56,460
that kind of thing it was it was a weird

836
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,260
thing and you you took the brunt of it

837
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,720
right there from the very beginning uh

838
00:45:04,730 --> 00:45:03,200
because of his trepidations

839
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:04,740
the

840
00:45:09,650 --> 00:45:07,200
um uh I mean it it is so great

841
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:09,660
historically how we are able to see

842
00:45:15,470 --> 00:45:12,000
where we are today and then and then go

843
00:45:18,290 --> 00:45:15,480
back and enjoy those moments but

844
00:45:23,150 --> 00:45:18,300
um because you're right it was a

845
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,160
tangible atmosphere at the time but to I

846
00:45:27,290 --> 00:45:25,440
got to be straight though Grant has

847
00:45:29,390 --> 00:45:27,300
always got some kind of thing he's about

848
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:29,400
to blow out of the water so I mean he

849
00:45:34,010 --> 00:45:31,920
was just like he's always

850
00:45:36,050 --> 00:45:34,020
um uh you know he's working you know

851
00:45:39,650 --> 00:45:36,060
he's a great researcher he's he's always

852
00:45:41,210 --> 00:45:39,660
got something and so when he came up the

853
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,220
only difference

854
00:45:46,609 --> 00:45:43,680
um Michael was that

855
00:45:47,870 --> 00:45:46,619
um between what he was saying that day

856
00:45:51,050 --> 00:45:47,880
to me

857
00:45:54,410 --> 00:45:51,060
and versus things in the past was he was

858
00:45:57,530 --> 00:45:54,420
he was scared and and I and I didn't

859
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:57,540
know you know I'm trying to gauge this

860
00:46:01,849 --> 00:45:58,800
whole thing

861
00:46:04,730 --> 00:46:01,859
um because we hope that it is going to

862
00:46:07,970 --> 00:46:04,740
turn out to be what it did but you just

863
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:07,980
don't know that and and most things

864
00:46:13,790 --> 00:46:11,040
um sink before they set sail right but

865
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:13,800
that wasn't the case here and we are

866
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:16,079
able to look back and go man that was uh

867
00:46:20,809 --> 00:46:19,440
that was a really really big moment

868
00:46:23,809 --> 00:46:20,819
um now

869
00:46:26,450 --> 00:46:23,819
um let's back up for a second

870
00:46:33,290 --> 00:46:26,460
it was

871
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,300
through an email right and so there was

872
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:35,520
that I think it was a link or something

873
00:46:38,690 --> 00:46:37,680
I can't remember exactly how it went

874
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:38,700
down

875
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:41,760
um and I almost didn't open that email

876
00:46:46,490 --> 00:46:43,920
that was the other thing

877
00:46:48,650 --> 00:46:46,500
um I let it sit for a couple of weeks

878
00:46:50,930 --> 00:46:48,660
I'm busy you know and Richard didn't

879
00:46:52,670 --> 00:46:50,940
even open it himself it was Tracy who

880
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:52,680
finally found it yeah yeah yeah yeah

881
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:55,920
yeah and it was so funny because

882
00:46:59,450 --> 00:46:57,119
um I mean I've talked about it many

883
00:47:01,970 --> 00:46:59,460
times on the show with Richard and Grant

884
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:01,980
and and things but

885
00:47:08,809 --> 00:47:06,000
but uh when I finally did I immediately

886
00:47:11,410 --> 00:47:08,819
called Richard and there was a reason I

887
00:47:16,130 --> 00:47:11,420
can't remember now why I called Richard

888
00:47:19,370 --> 00:47:16,140
but I called him and and we read through

889
00:47:22,370 --> 00:47:19,380
the document and uh oh oh oh oh oh oh no

890
00:47:24,890 --> 00:47:22,380
now I remember before I called Richard I

891
00:47:28,490 --> 00:47:24,900
called you and I called Grant

892
00:47:31,790 --> 00:47:28,500
and I said okay guys what's going on is

893
00:47:33,710 --> 00:47:31,800
this the document and both you and Grant

894
00:47:35,450 --> 00:47:33,720
words telling me at that time I forgot

895
00:47:38,569 --> 00:47:35,460
about this that's right okay you guys

896
00:47:40,849 --> 00:47:38,579
are going I can't confirm nor deny that

897
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,859
the documents you are reading is the

898
00:47:46,430 --> 00:47:43,200
document that we I was like man guy is

899
00:47:47,870 --> 00:47:46,440
it is this it okay so

900
00:47:50,690 --> 00:47:47,880
um and then I turned around and called

901
00:47:54,050 --> 00:47:50,700
Richard and Richard and I read the

902
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:54,060
document uh uh Page by Page line by line

903
00:47:58,490 --> 00:47:56,640
uh together over the phone and and we

904
00:48:00,190 --> 00:47:58,500
were making notes

905
00:48:03,890 --> 00:48:00,200
um why

906
00:48:06,650 --> 00:48:03,900
was it you guys that chose let's clear

907
00:48:10,190 --> 00:48:06,660
the air a little bit of of releasing it

908
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:10,200
that way uh or did you have anything to

909
00:48:13,490 --> 00:48:12,000
do with that

910
00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:13,500
um like can we set the record straight

911
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,560
on that yeah yeah the uh how that

912
00:48:20,510 --> 00:48:18,480
actually happened was that uh you know

913
00:48:23,390 --> 00:48:20,520
for six months Grant and I were going

914
00:48:26,290 --> 00:48:23,400
back and forth line by line trying to

915
00:48:28,910 --> 00:48:26,300
figure out if these special access

916
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:28,920
unacknowledged special access programs

917
00:48:33,890 --> 00:48:32,400
are real are the people that are named

918
00:48:36,290 --> 00:48:33,900
in this document which there are just

919
00:48:38,450 --> 00:48:36,300
multitudes of you know high-ranking

920
00:48:40,490 --> 00:48:38,460
government and military officials that

921
00:48:42,050 --> 00:48:40,500
are named are these people real or did

922
00:48:43,790 --> 00:48:42,060
they do the jobs that they say they're

923
00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:43,800
doing in the memo

924
00:48:47,809 --> 00:48:45,960
uh so it took us six months to kind of

925
00:48:51,950 --> 00:48:47,819
get to the point where we were

926
00:48:54,349 --> 00:48:51,960
comfortable that this was not a uh uh a

927
00:48:56,450 --> 00:48:54,359
national security issue because it was a

928
00:48:59,089 --> 00:48:56,460
price it was Private notes of a private

929
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:59,099
meeting and it was basically

930
00:49:03,890 --> 00:49:00,720
um the kind of thing that was

931
00:49:05,809 --> 00:49:03,900
transcribed later on by we think uh Dr

932
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:05,819
Eric Davis the person who was

933
00:49:11,390 --> 00:49:08,160
interviewing the Admiral Thomas Ray

934
00:49:14,210 --> 00:49:11,400
Wilson regarding UFOs

935
00:49:18,290 --> 00:49:14,220
um we we think that this document was

936
00:49:22,970 --> 00:49:18,300
had had some veracity at the time but um

937
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,980
yeah the real issue was is that um uh we

938
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:24,720
had to figure out if this thing was

939
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:26,400
going to be

940
00:49:31,790 --> 00:49:29,520
um you know we are literally at that

941
00:49:35,150 --> 00:49:31,800
point we were literally at a turning

942
00:49:37,970 --> 00:49:35,160
point in I believe history because for

943
00:49:40,370 --> 00:49:37,980
70 years no one in the government wanted

944
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:40,380
to talk about UFOs no one in the

945
00:49:43,790 --> 00:49:42,720
military you know would even give it the

946
00:49:46,130 --> 00:49:43,800
time of day

947
00:49:49,309 --> 00:49:46,140
and then all of a sudden this Admiral

948
00:49:53,089 --> 00:49:49,319
Wilson memo comes out Grant gets a hold

949
00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:53,099
of it and literally uh people are having

950
00:49:56,450 --> 00:49:54,900
rumors and stuff like that and you would

951
00:49:58,730 --> 00:49:56,460
think that right off the bat if there

952
00:50:01,010 --> 00:49:58,740
was something wrong with the release of

953
00:50:03,290 --> 00:50:01,020
that document eventually Grant would

954
00:50:05,410 --> 00:50:03,300
have been disappeared immediately you

955
00:50:07,970 --> 00:50:05,420
know that's one reason why I created the

956
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:07,980
disclosure trust for him to put this

957
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:11,040
document in and Safeguard it but um yeah

958
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:15,119
the whole idea of uh it being released

959
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:17,520
to the public was kind of a weird thing

960
00:50:22,910 --> 00:50:20,160
because after you know this six-month

961
00:50:25,010 --> 00:50:22,920
period or so Grant is he's always out

962
00:50:29,690 --> 00:50:25,020
there doing other things he's approached

963
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:29,700
by a a person in the Pentagon

964
00:50:34,550 --> 00:50:32,880
um uh Chase uh Williams I believe the

965
00:50:36,349 --> 00:50:34,560
guy's name is let me see if I can

966
00:50:38,089 --> 00:50:36,359
confirm that

967
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:38,099
um

968
00:50:43,309 --> 00:50:40,800
and yeah Chase Williams is is I mean

969
00:50:45,950 --> 00:50:43,319
he's come out and admitted this where he

970
00:50:48,410 --> 00:50:45,960
actually approached Grant said uh how's

971
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,420
it going what's happening with uh you

972
00:50:52,849 --> 00:50:50,880
and Grant says I'm just

973
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:52,859
beating myself up trying to figure out

974
00:50:56,329 --> 00:50:54,240
what I'm going to do with this document

975
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:56,339
he says well

976
00:51:00,589 --> 00:50:58,079
um give it to me

977
00:51:03,730 --> 00:51:00,599
so that's basically what happened

978
00:51:08,270 --> 00:51:03,740
um Grant gave him the 15 pages

979
00:51:12,049 --> 00:51:08,280
and uh a few days later uh Grant gets a

980
00:51:15,049 --> 00:51:12,059
phone call uh and says uh the chase says

981
00:51:17,690 --> 00:51:15,059
hey um it's up on Twitter

982
00:51:19,609 --> 00:51:17,700
it's out out in the public now so then

983
00:51:21,890 --> 00:51:19,619
then at that point

984
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:21,900
um it literally kind of sat there for a

985
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:24,480
while and people didn't really take a

986
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:27,599
note of it immediately so I I was

987
00:51:35,390 --> 00:51:31,920
shocked this was uh uh June 6th of 2019

988
00:51:37,010 --> 00:51:35,400
when the thing broke on social media and

989
00:51:39,470 --> 00:51:37,020
the first thing I thought of

990
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:39,480
was oh

991
00:51:44,030 --> 00:51:41,520
maybe this is a trick

992
00:51:47,329 --> 00:51:44,040
you know what what if they

993
00:51:50,569 --> 00:51:47,339
published on social media a document

994
00:51:55,210 --> 00:51:50,579
that's similar to the one that Grant and

995
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:55,220
I had for six months but also had some

996
00:52:00,770 --> 00:51:58,800
National Security uh issues in it or

997
00:52:02,809 --> 00:52:00,780
other things that if they were if we

998
00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:02,819
published it or at somebody else bubbles

999
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:05,700
it they could get in uh hot water to do

1000
00:52:12,010 --> 00:52:09,119
that to publish so so literally it took

1001
00:52:15,410 --> 00:52:12,020
a while after you called and everything

1002
00:52:17,089 --> 00:52:15,420
uh Grant and myself to make sure that we

1003
00:52:19,490 --> 00:52:17,099
went through this thing line by line by

1004
00:52:21,410 --> 00:52:19,500
line uh to make sure they're the same

1005
00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:21,420
you know the leaked one on this on the

1006
00:52:26,030 --> 00:52:23,400
internet was the same as the originals

1007
00:52:27,950 --> 00:52:26,040
that we had in in our possession and

1008
00:52:31,010 --> 00:52:27,960
that was that was a little scary there

1009
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:31,020
at first as well but um uh yeah once it

1010
00:52:34,670 --> 00:52:33,359
was uh determined that this is the

1011
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:34,680
document

1012
00:52:38,089 --> 00:52:36,480
um I literally went nuts trying to

1013
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:38,099
figure out how I'm going to get it off

1014
00:52:43,609 --> 00:52:41,040
of social media uh and prove that it was

1015
00:52:46,010 --> 00:52:43,619
published because I thought for sure it

1016
00:52:47,870 --> 00:52:46,020
was going to be yanked down you know uh

1017
00:52:49,370 --> 00:52:47,880
if someone's going to pull a Tom Delong

1018
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:49,380
or whatever you know where they just put

1019
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:56,150
um so I was literally working about 24

1020
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:58,319
hours at one point to get this thing off

1021
00:53:01,910 --> 00:52:59,760
the internet because every time I tried

1022
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:01,920
to download it with a screenshot or

1023
00:53:06,049 --> 00:53:03,359
something like that there were these

1024
00:53:07,250 --> 00:53:06,059
pop-up ads that obliterated part of the

1025
00:53:09,530 --> 00:53:07,260
documents

1026
00:53:13,130 --> 00:53:09,540
so it was driving me nuts I literally

1027
00:53:15,890 --> 00:53:13,140
ended up having to make a a cheap little

1028
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:15,900
iMovie scrolling through every page

1029
00:53:20,270 --> 00:53:18,720
slowly with this funky background music

1030
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:20,280
in it just to make sure that I could

1031
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:23,520
preserve it off of the internet now

1032
00:53:26,329 --> 00:53:25,680
um who posted it

1033
00:53:27,950 --> 00:53:26,339
um

1034
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:27,960
uh

1035
00:53:37,250 --> 00:53:34,559
the server where I the link that I had

1036
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:37,260
um who posted it on that server you know

1037
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:39,119
that's a good question that was Imgur I

1038
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,040
think you're talking about because uh it

1039
00:53:46,849 --> 00:53:43,680
was on Twitter and and uh read it as

1040
00:53:49,250 --> 00:53:46,859
well I believe and I'm not sure sure who

1041
00:53:51,890 --> 00:53:49,260
chase Williams ended up doing the

1042
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:51,900
initial uh leak to

1043
00:53:56,650 --> 00:53:53,520
um matter of fact I suppose he was able

1044
00:54:00,290 --> 00:53:56,660
to do this anonymously at the time

1045
00:54:02,990 --> 00:54:00,300
it was chase that sent me the email no

1046
00:54:07,370 --> 00:54:03,000
not necessarily matter of fact I sent

1047
00:54:08,930 --> 00:54:07,380
you my my email as well uh and by that

1048
00:54:11,630 --> 00:54:08,940
time I think you might have gotten it

1049
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:11,640
from someone else as well so there was a

1050
00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:12,960
lot of folks getting it at that point

1051
00:54:18,130 --> 00:54:16,200
yeah I got an anonymous proton male okay

1052
00:54:19,790 --> 00:54:18,140
I think that's what it was

1053
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:19,800
and

1054
00:54:27,890 --> 00:54:25,920
um I've gone back to uh look for that

1055
00:54:29,809 --> 00:54:27,900
email

1056
00:54:32,569 --> 00:54:29,819
um for a couple of I wanted to see if

1057
00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:32,579
there was anything I can't find it I I

1058
00:54:38,690 --> 00:54:36,180
don't know if I deleted it

1059
00:54:41,870 --> 00:54:38,700
um yeah or whatever what have you but I

1060
00:54:45,290 --> 00:54:41,880
can't find that original email now and

1061
00:54:47,450 --> 00:54:45,300
I'm sure that some forensic you know

1062
00:54:50,510 --> 00:54:47,460
computer guy could could go and find it

1063
00:54:53,390 --> 00:54:50,520
on a server somewhere and and things but

1064
00:54:55,250 --> 00:54:53,400
as far as it being local on my system no

1065
00:54:57,470 --> 00:54:55,260
I can't find it

1066
00:55:00,770 --> 00:54:57,480
um okay so you don't know who uh

1067
00:55:02,750 --> 00:55:00,780
uploaded it onto those servers

1068
00:55:05,089 --> 00:55:02,760
um well all I know is that chase uh

1069
00:55:07,549 --> 00:55:05,099
Williams admits to

1070
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,559
um getting it onto social media I'm not

1071
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:09,599
sure exactly where he started to do that

1072
00:55:16,010 --> 00:55:12,720
but uh he did get a give a phone call to

1073
00:55:19,790 --> 00:55:16,020
Grant Cameron on that uh June 6th Day

1074
00:55:21,890 --> 00:55:19,800
2019 and tell him hey it's it's out now

1075
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:21,900
um so it's published and in the public

1076
00:55:24,829 --> 00:55:23,280
domain of course

1077
00:55:27,290 --> 00:55:24,839
what was

1078
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:27,300
um what I would like to do

1079
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:30,240
um when you first is discuss some of the

1080
00:55:33,890 --> 00:55:33,119
contents of of the document

1081
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:33,900
um

1082
00:55:40,690 --> 00:55:38,960
people are going to read through it and

1083
00:55:45,770 --> 00:55:40,700
stop

1084
00:55:48,109 --> 00:55:45,780
in right or they're gonna it's not the

1085
00:55:49,549 --> 00:55:48,119
same for everybody because

1086
00:55:52,010 --> 00:55:49,559
um it's it's there's so much information

1087
00:55:54,290 --> 00:55:52,020
there but for you when you read through

1088
00:55:56,750 --> 00:55:54,300
the document the first time uh what

1089
00:56:01,250 --> 00:55:56,760
grabbed you first

1090
00:56:04,010 --> 00:56:01,260
oh man uh the um the confirmation of uh

1091
00:56:06,109 --> 00:56:04,020
the crash at Roswell and the bodies dead

1092
00:56:09,170 --> 00:56:06,119
and alive uh that just freaked me out

1093
00:56:11,870 --> 00:56:09,180
I'm going you know I've I've been

1094
00:56:14,210 --> 00:56:11,880
involved in the ufology field from you

1095
00:56:17,329 --> 00:56:14,220
know over 40 years I was a April field

1096
00:56:19,730 --> 00:56:17,339
investigator in the 70s you know so we

1097
00:56:22,730 --> 00:56:19,740
all know the rumors and and the

1098
00:56:24,049 --> 00:56:22,740
innuendos of what's been going on uh

1099
00:56:26,270 --> 00:56:24,059
with this whole thing in the government

1100
00:56:28,910 --> 00:56:26,280
but no one had ever had any confirmation

1101
00:56:31,130 --> 00:56:28,920
this this memo for people that aren't

1102
00:56:33,530 --> 00:56:31,140
familiar with it is just a shocking

1103
00:56:37,250 --> 00:56:33,540
document because it's literally

1104
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:37,260
confirmation from a high level Admiral

1105
00:56:42,049 --> 00:56:40,559
in The Joint Chiefs of Staff who

1106
00:56:45,170 --> 00:56:42,059
literally was in charge of all the

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00:56:47,569 --> 00:56:45,180
military intelligence departments you if

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00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:47,579
you can imagine one person one civilian

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00:56:52,250 --> 00:56:49,680
that would be in charge of the CIA the

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00:56:54,530 --> 00:56:52,260
FBI the NSA you know if he was in charge

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00:56:55,609 --> 00:56:54,540
of all that that was Admiral Wilson for

1112
00:56:58,130 --> 00:56:55,619
the military

1113
00:57:00,049 --> 00:56:58,140
uh he was in charge of all the branches

1114
00:57:02,990 --> 00:57:00,059
of the military's intelligence

1115
00:57:06,290 --> 00:57:03,000
departments and he now is being

1116
00:57:08,930 --> 00:57:06,300
interviewed by uh Dr Eric Davis who is

1117
00:57:11,210 --> 00:57:08,940
one of the most intelligent hominids on

1118
00:57:13,790 --> 00:57:11,220
the planet as far as I can see uh

1119
00:57:16,849 --> 00:57:13,800
literally about the UFO Enigma because

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00:57:19,089 --> 00:57:16,859
Dr Davis was on the board of directors

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00:57:22,010 --> 00:57:19,099
of nid's National Institute of dis

1122
00:57:23,870 --> 00:57:22,020
Discovery Science Robert Bigelow's

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00:57:26,990 --> 00:57:23,880
organization and they were always trying

1124
00:57:29,809 --> 00:57:27,000
to dig for information about the secret

1125
00:57:31,309 --> 00:57:29,819
access uh programs that are going on

1126
00:57:33,890 --> 00:57:31,319
behind the scenes

1127
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:33,900
so we have in this document literally

1128
00:57:39,470 --> 00:57:36,960
confirmation of things like this from

1129
00:57:43,010 --> 00:57:39,480
the Admiral when he went and found out

1130
00:57:46,130 --> 00:57:43,020
the details of Crash retrieval programs

1131
00:57:49,549 --> 00:57:46,140
that the government was was operating uh

1132
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:49,559
with alien technology uh the Roswell New

1133
00:57:55,250 --> 00:57:52,319
Mexico crash um you know in the recovery

1134
00:57:57,650 --> 00:57:55,260
of dead bodies and live a live body at

1135
00:57:59,809 --> 00:57:57,660
that point this is all in the memo and

1136
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:59,819
then there's the the part that really

1137
00:58:03,530 --> 00:58:01,680
shocked me were at one point in the

1138
00:58:07,010 --> 00:58:03,540
document it claims

1139
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:07,020
the military Dr Davis is asking the

1140
00:58:13,250 --> 00:58:09,839
Admiral the Admiral claims that this

1141
00:58:16,609 --> 00:58:13,260
special unacknowledged special opsic uh

1142
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:16,619
Access program that he talked with have

1143
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:19,680
in their possession a working spacecraft

1144
00:58:24,170 --> 00:58:22,079
that can travel through Interstellar

1145
00:58:28,370 --> 00:58:24,180
space our atmosphere

1146
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:28,380
underwater and through dimensions

1147
00:58:32,450 --> 00:58:30,960
when I read that I'm going did because

1148
00:58:33,770 --> 00:58:32,460
we've all thought about that and we'll

1149
00:58:35,630 --> 00:58:33,780
go yeah that maybe that's what's

1150
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:35,640
happening but this is like they're

1151
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,960
talking about that

1152
00:58:41,690 --> 00:58:38,640
yeah that

1153
00:58:44,690 --> 00:58:41,700
um I remember of it's just the way that

1154
00:58:47,630 --> 00:58:44,700
my brain works but uh I remember having

1155
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:47,640
this conversation with Dolan very very

1156
00:58:54,289 --> 00:58:51,839
early on uh about who this company is uh

1157
00:58:56,030 --> 00:58:54,299
they're they're you know and I I've

1158
00:58:58,609 --> 00:58:56,040
always and I still do I think it's

1159
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:58,619
Lockheed I think it's Skunk Works

1160
00:59:04,370 --> 00:59:00,960
um where Admiral Wilson met with the

1161
00:59:06,530 --> 00:59:04,380
three the three dudes and um and they

1162
00:59:11,089 --> 00:59:06,540
tell him that they have a craft and they

1163
00:59:13,309 --> 00:59:11,099
think it can fly and some who's that

1164
00:59:16,010 --> 00:59:13,319
this this right here

1165
00:59:17,930 --> 00:59:16,020
I mean the document's great you know I

1166
00:59:23,089 --> 00:59:17,940
don't know who Oak Shannon is I don't

1167
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:23,099
know I can't I can but this this page

1168
00:59:29,390 --> 00:59:26,400
um uh with this discussion on it who is

1169
00:59:31,970 --> 00:59:29,400
this company and I think uh that that to

1170
00:59:35,870 --> 00:59:31,980
me is what grabbed me

1171
00:59:38,450 --> 00:59:35,880
um it it seemed uh to me Michael that

1172
00:59:40,130 --> 00:59:38,460
that was a real conversation you know

1173
00:59:42,049 --> 00:59:40,140
you could feel it the the the

1174
00:59:45,950 --> 00:59:42,059
conversation at the table with these

1175
00:59:48,349 --> 00:59:45,960
three guys four including uh the Admiral

1176
00:59:51,289 --> 00:59:48,359
uh was a real conversation and you could

1177
00:59:53,809 --> 00:59:51,299
feel the tense uh back and forth and

1178
00:59:56,450 --> 00:59:53,819
that was my question who is the

1179
00:59:59,089 --> 00:59:56,460
corporation who who is who is in

1180
01:00:01,309 --> 00:59:59,099
possession of this craft

1181
01:00:05,210 --> 01:00:01,319
I I think you might be right on in in

1182
01:00:07,789 --> 01:00:05,220
your analysis there um there's in the

1183
01:00:10,609 --> 01:00:07,799
memo Admiral Wilson is

1184
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:10,619
um describing this company as the best

1185
01:00:15,170 --> 01:00:13,440
of the best so you know you're you've

1186
01:00:17,329 --> 01:00:15,180
got a small list up there at the very

1187
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:17,339
top and I think you've probably nailed

1188
01:00:21,230 --> 01:00:19,440
it you know as far as uh what you've

1189
01:00:23,809 --> 01:00:21,240
what you've discerned here at this point

1190
01:00:26,510 --> 01:00:23,819
but um yeah literally

1191
01:00:29,690 --> 01:00:26,520
um this is a deep state

1192
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:29,700
a black budget process that's going on

1193
01:00:33,789 --> 01:00:31,920
behind the scenes which lends you to

1194
01:00:35,930 --> 01:00:33,799
believe that there's probably other

1195
01:00:37,730 --> 01:00:35,940
subcontractors doing the same thing in

1196
01:00:39,650 --> 01:00:37,740
different areas you know like the one

1197
01:00:41,930 --> 01:00:39,660
that Bob Lazar was talking about at Area

1198
01:00:43,849 --> 01:00:41,940
51 you know and there's this other one

1199
01:00:45,049 --> 01:00:43,859
maybe uh you know Lockheed Martin or

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01:00:47,930 --> 01:00:45,059
whatever

1201
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,940
um there's stuff going on I think for

1202
01:00:52,130 --> 01:00:49,680
decades behind the scenes and that's

1203
01:00:54,109 --> 01:00:52,140
what it basically appears in this memo

1204
01:00:55,730 --> 01:00:54,119
yeah let's take our break right here

1205
01:00:59,329 --> 01:00:55,740
this is Fade to Black I'm your host

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01:01:03,049 --> 01:00:59,339
Jimmy church tonight Michael W Hall is

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with us and now his new book it's good

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it's called core Secrets it's not out

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yet but we'll make that announcement uh

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01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:10,440
when the book is released but we're

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01:01:14,510 --> 01:01:11,760
talking about that tonight the Wilson

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01:01:16,190 --> 01:01:14,520
Davis documents and everything around it

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this is Fade to Black I'm your Jimmy

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church more of Michael W Hall after this

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[Music]

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Welcome Back Fade to Black I am your

1306
01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:14,930
I've got so many things going on at the

1307
01:06:19,549 --> 01:06:17,520
same time right now uh our guest tonight

1308
01:06:22,609 --> 01:06:19,559
Michael W Hall he's got a new book

1309
01:06:24,410 --> 01:06:22,619
coming out called core secrets about uh

1310
01:06:27,109 --> 01:06:24,420
the Wilson Davis document and the

1311
01:06:29,089 --> 01:06:27,119
history of it and I think uh Richard

1312
01:06:31,730 --> 01:06:29,099
Dolan got it right it could be the

1313
01:06:34,970 --> 01:06:31,740
Smoking Gun UFO document of the century

1314
01:06:36,890 --> 01:06:34,980
and and and he he said that very early

1315
01:06:39,589 --> 01:06:36,900
on took a lot of heat a lot of criticism

1316
01:06:42,049 --> 01:06:39,599
you know he put it out there but he knew

1317
01:06:46,010 --> 01:06:42,059
things uh Michael that other people

1318
01:06:48,349 --> 01:06:46,020
didn't at that time and he he explained

1319
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:48,359
it to me on the phone privately you know

1320
01:06:54,410 --> 01:06:51,119
what and okay that's good enough for me

1321
01:06:56,210 --> 01:06:54,420
all right Richard I I I understand where

1322
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:56,220
you're coming from but let's back up for

1323
01:06:58,390 --> 01:06:57,599
a second

1324
01:07:01,630 --> 01:06:58,400
um

1325
01:07:04,789 --> 01:07:01,640
uh uh Oak Shannon

1326
01:07:07,730 --> 01:07:04,799
has gone public and we'll Circle back to

1327
01:07:09,289 --> 01:07:07,740
that point but putting Oak Shannon to

1328
01:07:13,970 --> 01:07:09,299
the side

1329
01:07:16,190 --> 01:07:13,980
um the other the Bigelow boys club and I

1330
01:07:19,130 --> 01:07:16,200
am talking about you know how put off

1331
01:07:23,150 --> 01:07:19,140
and kick green and John Alexander and

1332
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:23,160
and uh Eric Davis certainly

1333
01:07:30,710 --> 01:07:26,400
um uh the the big little boys club they

1334
01:07:34,490 --> 01:07:30,720
must have had this memo when it was

1335
01:07:36,049 --> 01:07:34,500
first written and and and I am sure I

1336
01:07:38,329 --> 01:07:36,059
can't say this as fact and I'm not going

1337
01:07:41,410 --> 01:07:38,339
to go on the record and say is stating

1338
01:07:47,089 --> 01:07:41,420
such but but those guys

1339
01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:47,099
were the boys club and so I am fairly

1340
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:50,720
confident in believing that all of them

1341
01:07:57,049 --> 01:07:54,480
read this document uh and and it was

1342
01:07:58,730 --> 01:07:57,059
distributed to them by by Eric Davis it

1343
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:58,740
must have been but we haven't heard from

1344
01:08:04,490 --> 01:08:01,680
any of them why

1345
01:08:06,770 --> 01:08:04,500
well it's kind of interesting where

1346
01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:06,780
Admiral Wilson was pigeonholed you know

1347
01:08:11,930 --> 01:08:09,119
uh by Richard at one point you know

1348
01:08:13,849 --> 01:08:11,940
trying to get a confirmation from uh the

1349
01:08:17,570 --> 01:08:13,859
Admiral that this interview took place

1350
01:08:19,970 --> 01:08:17,580
and that this uh this memo has some of

1351
01:08:22,849 --> 01:08:19,980
our veracity and he of course he denied

1352
01:08:25,550 --> 01:08:22,859
it completely which is what he mentioned

1353
01:08:28,010 --> 01:08:25,560
in the memo as well is that if this ever

1354
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:28,020
gets out I'm going to deny even knowing

1355
01:08:33,229 --> 01:08:30,960
you Eric Davis you know or anybody else

1356
01:08:34,910 --> 01:08:33,239
uh in this document

1357
01:08:37,130 --> 01:08:34,920
so

1358
01:08:41,809 --> 01:08:37,140
um the whole idea that this this thing

1359
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:41,819
was uh you know out there uh and and um

1360
01:08:46,370 --> 01:08:43,920
you know it

1361
01:08:47,809 --> 01:08:46,380
I don't I don't know what was your what

1362
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:47,819
was your specific question that I needed

1363
01:08:55,729 --> 01:08:52,400
to get to it it's it's funny to me

1364
01:08:58,729 --> 01:08:55,739
that uh aside from Eric Davis because he

1365
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:58,739
knows uh that the document is authentic

1366
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:01,199
and it is his notes and it made it uh

1367
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:02,960
out into the public World

1368
01:09:08,510 --> 01:09:06,480
via uh Edgar Mitchell's estate and and

1369
01:09:10,130 --> 01:09:08,520
we'll talk about the origin story here

1370
01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:10,140
in just a minute

1371
01:09:16,849 --> 01:09:14,160
um but I am sure that uh Hal put off and

1372
01:09:19,970 --> 01:09:16,859
and kit green and uh you know John

1373
01:09:21,769 --> 01:09:19,980
Alexander that whole circle did not ever

1374
01:09:23,689 --> 01:09:21,779
think that something like this would see

1375
01:09:26,410 --> 01:09:23,699
the light of day

1376
01:09:29,090 --> 01:09:26,420
um and now that it has uh nobody

1377
01:09:32,110 --> 01:09:29,100
nobody's come forward except for Oak

1378
01:09:37,070 --> 01:09:32,120
Shannon so that's my quote why

1379
01:09:38,809 --> 01:09:37,080
what's what's green I I read this in

1380
01:09:41,329 --> 01:09:38,819
2002 it's real

1381
01:09:43,970 --> 01:09:41,339
yeah and that that is starting to change

1382
01:09:47,390 --> 01:09:43,980
lately you know with the uh Oak Shannon

1383
01:09:49,610 --> 01:09:47,400
notes that kind of verify this whole uh

1384
01:09:52,130 --> 01:09:49,620
you know Admiral Wilson memo

1385
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:52,140
um the uh the Hulk notes as well doing

1386
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:53,759
the same thing

1387
01:10:01,729 --> 01:09:57,840
and the fact that uh uh when Eric Davis

1388
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:01,739
was uh kind of cornered at a conference

1389
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:04,320
a few few months back where he uh

1390
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:06,719
someone said uh ask Eric Davis you know

1391
01:10:09,950 --> 01:10:08,880
about the Wilson notes he's the one who

1392
01:10:14,510 --> 01:10:09,960
wrote it

1393
01:10:17,630 --> 01:10:14,520
and then Davis said no comment

1394
01:10:21,410 --> 01:10:17,640
he didn't say no I didn't write it

1395
01:10:23,570 --> 01:10:21,420
he didn't get upset uh at the person who

1396
01:10:26,510 --> 01:10:23,580
claimed that he knew what was going on

1397
01:10:31,070 --> 01:10:26,520
because uh he was in the in the audience

1398
01:10:32,570 --> 01:10:31,080
but uh Eric Davis has said some amazing

1399
01:10:34,990 --> 01:10:32,580
things that don't corroborate

1400
01:10:38,750 --> 01:10:35,000
necessarily the veracity of the document

1401
01:10:42,410 --> 01:10:38,760
but he's talking about the same subject

1402
01:10:44,870 --> 01:10:42,420
matter that literally he has briefed the

1403
01:10:47,149 --> 01:10:44,880
Senate intelligence committee on Crash

1404
01:10:49,970 --> 01:10:47,159
retrievals of alien technology that's

1405
01:10:52,430 --> 01:10:49,980
his words that he's talking about so

1406
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:52,440
he's kind of going around

1407
01:10:57,229 --> 01:10:55,679
um the subject to kind of get people's

1408
01:10:59,149 --> 01:10:57,239
attention I think towards something

1409
01:11:01,729 --> 01:10:59,159
that's I think going to come down very

1410
01:11:03,649 --> 01:11:01,739
shortly some kind of a major disclosure

1411
01:11:06,890 --> 01:11:03,659
item and of course that's what we've all

1412
01:11:08,570 --> 01:11:06,900
been waiting for with the UAP task force

1413
01:11:10,250 --> 01:11:08,580
report that was supposed to come out on

1414
01:11:12,350 --> 01:11:10,260
Halloween night

1415
01:11:15,470 --> 01:11:12,360
um Halloween day but uh

1416
01:11:18,590 --> 01:11:15,480
um I think it's encouraging that that

1417
01:11:19,729 --> 01:11:18,600
report got postponed because from what I

1418
01:11:22,370 --> 01:11:19,739
can see now

1419
01:11:26,209 --> 01:11:22,380
that report was another whitewash

1420
01:11:28,189 --> 01:11:26,219
probably and the committee said go back

1421
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:28,199
and get some meat on this thing before

1422
01:11:32,450 --> 01:11:30,000
we come out again to the public because

1423
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:32,460
we got they pretty much got raked over

1424
01:11:37,310 --> 01:11:35,040
the coals on that first uh hearing you

1425
01:11:40,010 --> 01:11:37,320
know that they did short and sweet and

1426
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:40,020
really didn't say much so yeah I think

1427
01:11:48,590 --> 01:11:42,480
it's going to be interesting and now

1428
01:11:51,950 --> 01:11:48,600
um uh the the document came from Edgar

1429
01:11:55,010 --> 01:11:51,960
Mitchell's estate now

1430
01:11:57,410 --> 01:11:55,020
um at that time okay so this I'm going

1431
01:11:59,330 --> 01:11:57,420
to give you a little bit of a historical

1432
01:12:01,790 --> 01:11:59,340
perspective here

1433
01:12:03,890 --> 01:12:01,800
um we knew that there are some names in

1434
01:12:06,290 --> 01:12:03,900
in this document and one of them was a

1435
01:12:09,169 --> 01:12:06,300
Stephen Greer and Edgar Mitchell of

1436
01:12:13,490 --> 01:12:09,179
course and this meeting at the Pentagon

1437
01:12:18,350 --> 01:12:13,500
and uh which took place in 1997.

1438
01:12:20,930 --> 01:12:18,360
so I immediately the day after I uh got

1439
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:20,940
the document I called Stephen Greer and

1440
01:12:24,950 --> 01:12:23,760
I I my memory says this was like on a

1441
01:12:28,910 --> 01:12:24,960
Monday

1442
01:12:30,890 --> 01:12:28,920
and and I um I called Greer and I said

1443
01:12:33,890 --> 01:12:30,900
have you seen this document your names

1444
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:33,900
in it and he said what's it about and I

1445
01:12:38,270 --> 01:12:35,520
told him and I said there's Penny I see

1446
01:12:40,610 --> 01:12:38,280
yeah that meeting happened 1997 I said

1447
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:40,620
uh let me send you the document so I

1448
01:12:45,410 --> 01:12:42,480
sent it to Greer and he called me back

1449
01:12:48,350 --> 01:12:45,420
and he confirmed yes Edgar Mitchell was

1450
01:12:51,890 --> 01:12:48,360
there Wilson was there 1997 he gave a

1451
01:12:55,490 --> 01:12:51,900
presentation at the Pentagon and so I

1452
01:12:58,189 --> 01:12:55,500
turned around and and had uh Greer as my

1453
01:13:00,890 --> 01:12:58,199
guest on Coast to Coast that week and

1454
01:13:04,189 --> 01:13:00,900
you know to talk about this document but

1455
01:13:06,050 --> 01:13:04,199
what was interesting is that we have

1456
01:13:07,790 --> 01:13:06,060
Edgar Mitchell who had since you know

1457
01:13:11,209 --> 01:13:07,800
passed by the time the document of

1458
01:13:14,510 --> 01:13:11,219
course was released but who is in this

1459
01:13:18,290 --> 01:13:14,520
document that we can start to vet the

1460
01:13:19,790 --> 01:13:18,300
document to see uh uh you know what what

1461
01:13:22,910 --> 01:13:19,800
is real and what it's not one of them

1462
01:13:25,250 --> 01:13:22,920
obviously is Stephen Greer you know and

1463
01:13:26,689 --> 01:13:25,260
and and did this happen was is this

1464
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:26,699
meeting that they're talking about in

1465
01:13:31,070 --> 01:13:29,040
this document 1997 and he confirmed it

1466
01:13:33,550 --> 01:13:31,080
and said yes and of course

1467
01:13:39,169 --> 01:13:33,560
um that is now part of the public record

1468
01:13:42,410 --> 01:13:39,179
how did Edgar Mitchell get this document

1469
01:13:45,950 --> 01:13:42,420
well uh Dr Mitchell was on the board of

1470
01:13:48,050 --> 01:13:45,960
directors or the board of advisors I

1471
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:48,060
believe it was for nids

1472
01:13:52,070 --> 01:13:49,920
and they would meet uh probably six

1473
01:13:54,169 --> 01:13:52,080
times a year from what I gather

1474
01:13:55,850 --> 01:13:54,179
uh as a think tank trying to figure out

1475
01:13:58,729 --> 01:13:55,860
the best way to get some information

1476
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:58,739
that they wanted you know Bob Piccolo

1477
01:14:04,250 --> 01:14:01,679
was uh still is very interested in

1478
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:04,260
finding out uh some issues of life after

1479
01:14:08,689 --> 01:14:06,000
death you know the Skinwalker Ranch

1480
01:14:10,669 --> 01:14:08,699
issues and UFOs and all that stuff when

1481
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:10,679
he went on 60 Minutes

1482
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:13,199
and it was interviewed at that one point

1483
01:14:19,310 --> 01:14:17,280
and he was so secure in his belief that

1484
01:14:21,169 --> 01:14:19,320
aliens were visiting the planet I don't

1485
01:14:24,530 --> 01:14:21,179
know if you remember that interview I do

1486
01:14:27,530 --> 01:14:24,540
this was it showed me that interview

1487
01:14:29,930 --> 01:14:27,540
that he already knew what was the uh

1488
01:14:32,689 --> 01:14:29,940
what included or what the details were

1489
01:14:34,970 --> 01:14:32,699
of this memo obviously he was the

1490
01:14:37,729 --> 01:14:34,980
impetus of getting the memo made because

1491
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:37,739
they sent from nid's board of directors

1492
01:14:44,149 --> 01:14:41,040
Eric Davis one of the other uh persons

1493
01:14:46,250 --> 01:14:44,159
on the board to go track down Admiral

1494
01:14:48,590 --> 01:14:46,260
Wilson because the rumor was

1495
01:14:50,030 --> 01:14:48,600
Admiral Wilson was interested in this

1496
01:14:52,970 --> 01:14:50,040
subject but really didn't know what was

1497
01:14:54,590 --> 01:14:52,980
going on that's what Stephen Greer uh

1498
01:14:58,910 --> 01:14:54,600
got the interview with initially yeah

1499
01:15:02,510 --> 01:14:58,920
Stephen says that he told Wilson

1500
01:15:04,130 --> 01:15:02,520
um at that meeting in 1997. it's saps

1501
01:15:07,209 --> 01:15:04,140
that you need to go and Chase down these

1502
01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:07,219
special assets special access programs

1503
01:15:12,430 --> 01:15:11,520
and that's that's where the ET uh

1504
01:15:16,669 --> 01:15:12,440
information

1505
01:15:18,110 --> 01:15:16,679
lies and sent Admiral Wilson on on this

1506
01:15:21,530 --> 01:15:18,120
journey

1507
01:15:23,990 --> 01:15:21,540
right yeah yes exactly and um you know

1508
01:15:26,450 --> 01:15:24,000
it didn't happen right away uh this

1509
01:15:29,510 --> 01:15:26,460
interview with Dr Davis and the Admiral

1510
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:29,520
was in 2002 you know in that initial

1511
01:15:34,430 --> 01:15:32,159
meeting it was back in 97.

1512
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:34,440
and it took the Admiral a while

1513
01:15:38,930 --> 01:15:36,719
to follow up on some of the phone

1514
01:15:41,390 --> 01:15:38,940
numbers and contacts that Steven Greer

1515
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:41,400
gave him to check out

1516
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:43,679
and that was fascinating to me to read

1517
01:15:48,649 --> 01:15:46,320
this this whole thing reads like a movie

1518
01:15:50,209 --> 01:15:48,659
script it's it's not that it is but it

1519
01:15:52,370 --> 01:15:50,219
just very

1520
01:15:54,290 --> 01:15:52,380
um it just jumps off the page at you

1521
01:15:56,510 --> 01:15:54,300
when you're reading the tension that was

1522
01:15:58,090 --> 01:15:56,520
involved back then between these people

1523
01:16:01,910 --> 01:15:58,100
that are talking about these high level

1524
01:16:03,709 --> 01:16:01,920
uh E.T subjects but literally they um

1525
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:03,719
they were talking about

1526
01:16:06,669 --> 01:16:06,000
the whole idea that

1527
01:16:09,910 --> 01:16:06,679
um

1528
01:16:14,930 --> 01:16:09,920
I lost my Katrina thought

1529
01:16:17,810 --> 01:16:14,940
about uh uh this group uh the research

1530
01:16:20,930 --> 01:16:17,820
that was going on and this was part of

1531
01:16:22,669 --> 01:16:20,940
the reality well if we back up

1532
01:16:26,030 --> 01:16:22,679
um I'm going to talk about Oak Shannon

1533
01:16:29,290 --> 01:16:26,040
and and and and do a little bit of a

1534
01:16:33,470 --> 01:16:29,300
deeper dive here into Oak because

1535
01:16:36,410 --> 01:16:33,480
Oak's name is on the first page and I

1536
01:16:39,709 --> 01:16:36,420
didn't know at the time uh who Oak

1537
01:16:41,689 --> 01:16:39,719
Shannon was but clearly

1538
01:16:44,990 --> 01:16:41,699
Grand Cameron did

1539
01:16:48,350 --> 01:16:45,000
right and uh when the when the document

1540
01:16:52,250 --> 01:16:48,360
came out obviously other people knew oh

1541
01:16:57,470 --> 01:16:52,260
Shannon's name I didn't but

1542
01:17:00,410 --> 01:16:57,480
um I guess Grant had Eric Davis's notes

1543
01:17:05,630 --> 01:17:00,420
oh Shannon's notes for 20 years that he

1544
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:05,640
had gotten from Eric Davis correct yeah

1545
01:17:12,050 --> 01:17:08,880
um when uh the Australian researcher

1546
01:17:14,390 --> 01:17:12,060
James rigney showed Grant uh the first

1547
01:17:19,550 --> 01:17:14,400
page of this Admiral Wilson Smoking Gun

1548
01:17:22,490 --> 01:17:19,560
memo on a lap on a uh an iPad actually

1549
01:17:24,890 --> 01:17:22,500
um Grant told me his face went Ashen

1550
01:17:28,669 --> 01:17:24,900
Grant's face went Ashen because he he

1551
01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:28,679
read Oak Shannon and Dr Eric Davis

1552
01:17:32,990 --> 01:17:31,440
on the same page and he knew the

1553
01:17:35,090 --> 01:17:33,000
connection between them

1554
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:35,100
uh and he knew that this was an

1555
01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:37,199
important document uh from that very

1556
01:17:41,630 --> 01:17:39,120
first page and then he got into details

1557
01:17:43,310 --> 01:17:41,640
and he said where did you get this and

1558
01:17:47,209 --> 01:17:43,320
of course it came from the Eric Mitchell

1559
01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:47,219
uh Edgar Mitchell estate documents that

1560
01:17:51,410 --> 01:17:49,040
were going to be thrown away by the way

1561
01:17:54,350 --> 01:17:51,420
uh by his family because they weren't

1562
01:17:56,750 --> 01:17:54,360
interested in this subject matter or all

1563
01:17:58,610 --> 01:17:56,760
the I don't know how many Banker boxes

1564
01:17:59,870 --> 01:17:58,620
full of material that they just had to

1565
01:18:03,290 --> 01:17:59,880
get rid of

1566
01:18:05,930 --> 01:18:03,300
and then another Australian

1567
01:18:08,649 --> 01:18:05,940
who is a friend of Edgar Mitchell's

1568
01:18:11,810 --> 01:18:08,659
coming over for the funeral

1569
01:18:13,970 --> 01:18:11,820
offered then the wife to take these

1570
01:18:16,370 --> 01:18:13,980
things off her hand and just you know

1571
01:18:20,030 --> 01:18:16,380
archive him for posterity or whatever

1572
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:20,040
and they sat in his garage for about a

1573
01:18:22,430 --> 01:18:20,880
year

1574
01:18:25,669 --> 01:18:22,440
before

1575
01:18:28,250 --> 01:18:25,679
um uh James rigney found out about it

1576
01:18:30,530 --> 01:18:28,260
another Australian researcher and and

1577
01:18:32,750 --> 01:18:30,540
went and and thumbed through them and

1578
01:18:35,149 --> 01:18:32,760
found the memo along with other things

1579
01:18:38,110 --> 01:18:35,159
but that was the most important thing

1580
01:18:41,810 --> 01:18:38,120
right there well I did Grant

1581
01:18:43,490 --> 01:18:41,820
at that point uh tell you about Oak

1582
01:18:46,669 --> 01:18:43,500
Shannon's notes

1583
01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:46,679
no no we this is a very recent

1584
01:18:52,250 --> 01:18:48,960
development by the way

1585
01:18:54,590 --> 01:18:52,260
um the uh the handwritten Oak Shannon

1586
01:18:57,950 --> 01:18:54,600
notes and the uh

1587
01:19:00,290 --> 01:18:57,960
um John uh Alexander or John uh Houck

1588
01:19:02,030 --> 01:19:00,300
Jack Houck Jack Hulk and and but just

1589
01:19:04,970 --> 01:19:02,040
John Alexander you know the other guy

1590
01:19:08,209 --> 01:19:04,980
that was in charge of this group BDM

1591
01:19:11,209 --> 01:19:08,219
yeah there you go they um they kind of

1592
01:19:14,450 --> 01:19:11,219
uh this confirmation came a little bit

1593
01:19:16,010 --> 01:19:14,460
later uh when Grant decided to leak that

1594
01:19:17,570 --> 01:19:16,020
document

1595
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:17,580
um along you know these were the ones

1596
01:19:23,209 --> 01:19:19,920
that Eric Davis gave to Grant like you

1597
01:19:25,070 --> 01:19:23,219
said 20 years ago and uh Grant literally

1598
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:25,080
just recently put two and two together

1599
01:19:28,970 --> 01:19:27,600
when he was reviewing them again and

1600
01:19:31,250 --> 01:19:28,980
realized that these things are

1601
01:19:33,010 --> 01:19:31,260
co-operating basically the Admiral

1602
01:19:38,570 --> 01:19:33,020
Wilson memo

1603
01:19:42,410 --> 01:19:38,580
the uh the points that were made uh uh

1604
01:19:44,530 --> 01:19:42,420
in in the memo especially on the the

1605
01:19:48,770 --> 01:19:44,540
first page of the Wilson Davis document

1606
01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:48,780
where the two of them Eric Davis and uh

1607
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:51,840
Admiral Wilson are talking about Oak

1608
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:54,239
Shannon and Oak Shannon's illness that

1609
01:20:00,410 --> 01:19:56,400
he was unavailable that he was hard to

1610
01:20:04,130 --> 01:20:00,420
get a hold of but uh wanting to get them

1611
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:04,140
together to talk about this subject and

1612
01:20:10,910 --> 01:20:06,480
that Oak had

1613
01:20:14,330 --> 01:20:10,920
um uh what's the word uh the uh

1614
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:14,340
recommended recommended uh both of them

1615
01:20:19,610 --> 01:20:18,000
yeah um and then and and to each other

1616
01:20:23,030 --> 01:20:19,620
um I think that's a very important point

1617
01:20:25,370 --> 01:20:23,040
and then they turn around and uh have

1618
01:20:27,950 --> 01:20:25,380
Oak Shannon talk about this publicly and

1619
01:20:30,169 --> 01:20:27,960
his notes that surface certainly

1620
01:20:32,270 --> 01:20:30,179
cooperated

1621
01:20:34,850 --> 01:20:32,280
um everything that was stated in in the

1622
01:20:37,370 --> 01:20:34,860
Wilson Davis memo on the first page

1623
01:20:39,050 --> 01:20:37,380
yeah yeah and you know I just I am

1624
01:20:41,570 --> 01:20:39,060
getting the feeling

1625
01:20:43,490 --> 01:20:41,580
um and I'm so glad that the book that

1626
01:20:45,110 --> 01:20:43,500
I'm writing about this subject matter is

1627
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:45,120
going to come out within a couple weeks

1628
01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:46,800
basically

1629
01:20:51,470 --> 01:20:49,920
um because I believe that the Deep state

1630
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:51,480
or whoever's in charge of this

1631
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:53,760
disclosure rolling out

1632
01:20:59,630 --> 01:20:56,880
uh could be using the template of the

1633
01:21:03,110 --> 01:20:59,640
Admiral Wilson document in their

1634
01:21:05,930 --> 01:21:03,120
disclosure process how so there's too

1635
01:21:07,490 --> 01:21:05,940
many corroborative things happening that

1636
01:21:09,950 --> 01:21:07,500
are being leaked like you know the oak

1637
01:21:12,590 --> 01:21:09,960
Shannon notes and and the Jack Hauck

1638
01:21:14,930 --> 01:21:12,600
notes and those kinds of things you

1639
01:21:17,270 --> 01:21:14,940
would think that if there is a massive

1640
01:21:19,010 --> 01:21:17,280
cover-up that's still insisting that

1641
01:21:21,649 --> 01:21:19,020
this stuff never see the light a day

1642
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:21,659
that those connections would never have

1643
01:21:28,250 --> 01:21:24,719
happened recently and they seem to be so

1644
01:21:31,189 --> 01:21:28,260
I'm wondering if if this uh this is

1645
01:21:34,430 --> 01:21:31,199
going to be a tool uh for the powers

1646
01:21:36,290 --> 01:21:34,440
that be to actually disclose the reality

1647
01:21:37,970 --> 01:21:36,300
of aliens visiting the planet you know

1648
01:21:39,709 --> 01:21:37,980
let's face it that way

1649
01:21:43,130 --> 01:21:39,719
were you

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01:21:46,250 --> 01:21:43,140
um at the UFO hearing uh you know the

1651
01:21:48,169 --> 01:21:46,260
subcommittee you know in Congress uh

1652
01:21:52,250 --> 01:21:48,179
were you surprised to hear the Wilson

1653
01:21:55,610 --> 01:21:52,260
Davis uh document not only brought up uh

1654
01:22:00,010 --> 01:21:55,620
in that hearing but then uh brought into

1655
01:22:04,729 --> 01:22:00,020
uh the public record look you are a

1656
01:22:07,370 --> 01:22:04,739
superior court uh judge Pro tem right if

1657
01:22:10,250 --> 01:22:07,380
you've been a lawyer for 35 plus years

1658
01:22:14,330 --> 01:22:10,260
you know the law and you know what it's

1659
01:22:16,669 --> 01:22:14,340
like to have uh documents brought in uh

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01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:16,679
to the record because now it's part of

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01:22:22,490 --> 01:22:19,920
the public record and it can uh be

1662
01:22:25,010 --> 01:22:22,500
looked at officially in the future right

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01:22:26,330 --> 01:22:25,020
and that's that's exactly you hit the

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01:22:29,390 --> 01:22:26,340
nail on the head there Jimmy that's

1665
01:22:32,570 --> 01:22:29,400
exactly what I'm thinking about when uh

1666
01:22:34,250 --> 01:22:32,580
the congressman McCarthy uh brought up

1667
01:22:37,669 --> 01:22:34,260
the Admiral Wilson memo and then

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01:22:39,890 --> 01:22:37,679
actually uh unanimously you know put it

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01:22:41,570 --> 01:22:39,900
into the the public record no no

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01:22:44,090 --> 01:22:41,580
objections by the way if you notice that

1671
01:22:46,669 --> 01:22:44,100
none of the other people that were there

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01:22:49,130 --> 01:22:46,679
or congressmen or whatever objected at

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01:22:51,470 --> 01:22:49,140
all that's why I'm thinking that they

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01:22:54,649 --> 01:22:51,480
are setting this memo up

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01:22:58,310 --> 01:22:54,659
uh to be potentially a tool for them in

1676
01:22:59,090 --> 01:22:58,320
disclosure because I was floored when I

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01:23:01,790 --> 01:22:59,100
saw

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01:23:04,790 --> 01:23:01,800
this document being entered into the

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01:23:07,030 --> 01:23:04,800
Congressional Record in front of uh the

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01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:07,040
whole world it was the only document

1681
01:23:11,630 --> 01:23:09,360
that I really could see that was that

1682
01:23:14,689 --> 01:23:11,640
they did that with during that initial

1683
01:23:15,709 --> 01:23:14,699
you know task force uh Congressional

1684
01:23:18,110 --> 01:23:15,719
hearing

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01:23:20,750 --> 01:23:18,120
which was pretty much just a

1686
01:23:22,430 --> 01:23:20,760
a sham other than that but I was totally

1687
01:23:25,669 --> 01:23:22,440
pleased his punch that the Admiral

1688
01:23:29,330 --> 01:23:25,679
Wilson memo was was discussed

1689
01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:29,340
and uh and set into the record how

1690
01:23:35,630 --> 01:23:32,159
important is that step though

1691
01:23:39,950 --> 01:23:35,640
well I think what it is is it's like a

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01:23:41,630 --> 01:23:39,960
a volley across the bow uh of uh other

1693
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:41,640
folks that are out there of course

1694
01:23:46,010 --> 01:23:43,440
you've got to realize they're the white

1695
01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:46,020
hats behind the scenes there's the black

1696
01:23:51,169 --> 01:23:47,520
hats they're the gray hats there's

1697
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:51,179
contingent uh factions that are fighting

1698
01:23:56,350 --> 01:23:53,280
this whole idea of disclosure all along

1699
01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:56,360
the way there's not a unanimity

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01:24:01,189 --> 01:23:59,760
unanimity in this uh whole field so I

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01:24:03,350 --> 01:24:01,199
have a feeling it's a shot across the

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01:24:05,630 --> 01:24:03,360
bow to whoever is in charge of

1703
01:24:07,850 --> 01:24:05,640
disclosure saying that this is going to

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01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:07,860
happen whether you want to or not so you

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01:24:12,110 --> 01:24:09,600
might as well you know get on board

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01:24:14,270 --> 01:24:12,120
that's what I'm thinking and and what

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01:24:15,590 --> 01:24:14,280
about from the legal perspective how

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01:24:17,870 --> 01:24:15,600
important is it

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01:24:20,209 --> 01:24:17,880
well you know what it does immediate

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01:24:22,729 --> 01:24:20,219
immediately is it makes it uh it takes

1711
01:24:25,250 --> 01:24:22,739
it out of the realm of

1712
01:24:27,350 --> 01:24:25,260
we don't know if this is true or not but

1713
01:24:28,729 --> 01:24:27,360
here's the document and it gives it a

1714
01:24:31,149 --> 01:24:28,739
little more a little bit more

1715
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:31,159
credibility being in the public record

1716
01:24:37,550 --> 01:24:34,560
uh from the Congress setting it there my

1717
01:24:39,350 --> 01:24:37,560
goodness that's quite a step and not

1718
01:24:42,709 --> 01:24:39,360
that it's any confirmation of the

1719
01:24:44,990 --> 01:24:42,719
veracity of the document but it sure is

1720
01:24:46,729 --> 01:24:45,000
a good collateral evidence that they

1721
01:24:48,530 --> 01:24:46,739
think it's very important and there's

1722
01:24:52,330 --> 01:24:48,540
some interesting

1723
01:24:55,970 --> 01:24:52,340
truce held within the document as well

1724
01:24:57,310 --> 01:24:55,980
what is the difference from a legal

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01:25:01,370 --> 01:24:57,320
standpoint

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01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:01,380
from something that is classified as a

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01:25:07,970 --> 01:25:04,800
legal document a government document and

1728
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:07,980
something like this which is essentially

1729
01:25:12,169 --> 01:25:10,320
a page of notes that could have been

1730
01:25:15,050 --> 01:25:12,179
written out on a legal pad and then

1731
01:25:17,149 --> 01:25:15,060
transcribed into a Word document what's

1732
01:25:20,689 --> 01:25:17,159
the difference between the two

1733
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:20,699
yeah well the the whole issue is that um

1734
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:22,800
uh matter of fact this might be a good

1735
01:25:27,709 --> 01:25:25,199
time to read the whole idea of what a

1736
01:25:29,810 --> 01:25:27,719
core secret really is you know I I

1737
01:25:32,870 --> 01:25:29,820
mentioned it in in the book but uh

1738
01:25:36,050 --> 01:25:32,880
basically the the U.S uh air force uh

1739
01:25:39,530 --> 01:25:36,060
regulations say that um a core secret is

1740
01:25:40,910 --> 01:25:39,540
any item process strategy or element of

1741
01:25:44,270 --> 01:25:40,920
information

1742
01:25:47,570 --> 01:25:44,280
the compromise of which

1743
01:25:50,209 --> 01:25:47,580
um should would result in unrecoverable

1744
01:25:53,149 --> 01:25:50,219
failure in other words revealing the

1745
01:25:55,430 --> 01:25:53,159
existence of such a black program would

1746
01:25:57,890 --> 01:25:55,440
completely undermine its military value

1747
01:26:00,169 --> 01:25:57,900
that's that's what a core secret is and

1748
01:26:03,169 --> 01:26:00,179
it's peppered throughout the Admiral

1749
01:26:05,149 --> 01:26:03,179
Wilson's interview with Eric Davis he's

1750
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:05,159
he tells Eric Davis certain certain

1751
01:26:09,290 --> 01:26:07,440
items and then some of them he can't

1752
01:26:10,910 --> 01:26:09,300
tell him he says these are core secrets

1753
01:26:12,490 --> 01:26:10,920
I'm not going to even talk about them

1754
01:26:18,410 --> 01:26:12,500
that kind of thing

1755
01:26:22,129 --> 01:26:18,420
and so uh is it uh from a if if you're

1756
01:26:25,610 --> 01:26:22,139
the I love talking in this context if

1757
01:26:27,709 --> 01:26:25,620
you're the judge in in a in a case uh

1758
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:27,719
like this and you're the judge and

1759
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:30,000
you're looking at official documents and

1760
01:26:35,689 --> 01:26:32,639
then you're looking at notes or

1761
01:26:39,169 --> 01:26:35,699
testimony right there's there's it's not

1762
01:26:41,870 --> 01:26:39,179
a receipt right it's not received not a

1763
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:41,880
contract it's not a legal document but

1764
01:26:47,450 --> 01:26:43,520
it's essentially

1765
01:26:50,450 --> 01:26:47,460
testimony right it's it's notes what

1766
01:26:54,410 --> 01:26:50,460
what holds more weight

1767
01:26:59,450 --> 01:26:54,420
well um both uh first party testimony

1768
01:27:02,629 --> 01:26:59,460
under oath and written affidavits uh

1769
01:27:05,590 --> 01:27:02,639
carry a lot of weight as far as evidence

1770
01:27:07,970 --> 01:27:05,600
in court matter of fact

1771
01:27:09,590 --> 01:27:07,980
that's the way you get around the fact

1772
01:27:12,110 --> 01:27:09,600
that if if there's some core secret

1773
01:27:14,510 --> 01:27:12,120
things that you can't discuss

1774
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:14,520
then you go to a witness that was there

1775
01:27:18,830 --> 01:27:17,280
and you interview them on the stand to

1776
01:27:22,610 --> 01:27:18,840
get their story

1777
01:27:24,890 --> 01:27:22,620
and personal testimony is is uh you know

1778
01:27:27,229 --> 01:27:24,900
eligible in court to be able to uh use

1779
01:27:30,830 --> 01:27:27,239
his collateral evidence of what's really

1780
01:27:34,189 --> 01:27:30,840
going on here and by the way if we took

1781
01:27:37,370 --> 01:27:34,199
this case to a uh a court and we had a

1782
01:27:40,450 --> 01:27:37,380
trial this is the standard of care

1783
01:27:43,189 --> 01:27:40,460
called a preponderance of the evidence

1784
01:27:45,169 --> 01:27:43,199
not Beyond A Reasonable Doubt like a

1785
01:27:48,229 --> 01:27:45,179
criminal case you have to prove your

1786
01:27:50,870 --> 01:27:48,239
case as a prosecutor Beyond A Reasonable

1787
01:27:52,669 --> 01:27:50,880
Doubt which is harder to do and the

1788
01:27:58,370 --> 01:27:52,679
preponderance of the evidence means that

1789
01:28:00,110 --> 01:27:58,380
just just 51 more than not that this

1790
01:28:02,030 --> 01:28:00,120
thing is true that's the preponderance

1791
01:28:04,729 --> 01:28:02,040
of the evidence this would be a slam

1792
01:28:05,810 --> 01:28:04,739
dunk as far as I can see if it was taken

1793
01:28:09,770 --> 01:28:05,820
to trial

1794
01:28:11,990 --> 01:28:09,780
very interesting point and if

1795
01:28:15,649 --> 01:28:12,000
um just from a legal standpoint that's

1796
01:28:18,290 --> 01:28:15,659
why I really appreciate uh speaking with

1797
01:28:20,689 --> 01:28:18,300
you about this because everybody else

1798
01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:20,699
has an opinion this is what you do for a

1799
01:28:25,970 --> 01:28:23,280
gig right okay so

1800
01:28:30,290 --> 01:28:25,980
um uh in it with something like this if

1801
01:28:34,030 --> 01:28:30,300
if this was uh in court

1802
01:28:37,490 --> 01:28:34,040
could the Air Force be brought in could

1803
01:28:40,850 --> 01:28:37,500
Lockheed be brought in could

1804
01:28:43,970 --> 01:28:40,860
how put off be brought in could Eric

1805
01:28:47,689 --> 01:28:43,980
Davis be brought it could Wilson uh

1806
01:28:49,970 --> 01:28:47,699
Thomas Wilson could he be brought in

1807
01:28:51,890 --> 01:28:49,980
um as Witnesses under oath

1808
01:28:54,290 --> 01:28:51,900
well you know that's what we're holding

1809
01:28:56,990 --> 01:28:54,300
our breath to see with the next

1810
01:29:00,050 --> 01:28:57,000
Congressional hearings literally

1811
01:29:02,930 --> 01:29:00,060
um if indeed they are all given

1812
01:29:05,090 --> 01:29:02,940
um immunity for testifying you know

1813
01:29:06,530 --> 01:29:05,100
regarding their security clearances and

1814
01:29:09,350 --> 01:29:06,540
those kinds of things

1815
01:29:12,770 --> 01:29:09,360
that's who exactly we need to get in

1816
01:29:15,530 --> 01:29:12,780
front of a congressional uh hearing uh

1817
01:29:17,510 --> 01:29:15,540
and put under oath and ask them the hard

1818
01:29:20,090 --> 01:29:17,520
questions you could do it in court of

1819
01:29:22,129 --> 01:29:20,100
course but they're going to be you know

1820
01:29:24,649 --> 01:29:22,139
claiming their security

1821
01:29:25,970 --> 01:29:24,659
clearances won't allow them to speak and

1822
01:29:28,550 --> 01:29:25,980
they'll probably take the Fifth

1823
01:29:30,770 --> 01:29:28,560
Amendment and not perjure themselves and

1824
01:29:33,530 --> 01:29:30,780
that kind of thing but um I'm wondering

1825
01:29:36,830 --> 01:29:33,540
whether the next step you know one of my

1826
01:29:40,250 --> 01:29:36,840
clients is uh uh Kevin Day the USS

1827
01:29:42,470 --> 01:29:40,260
Nimitz radar operator uh who saw the Tic

1828
01:29:45,950 --> 01:29:42,480
Tac UFOs and he's been contacted through

1829
01:29:47,570 --> 01:29:45,960
me my office uh for this next round of

1830
01:29:51,350 --> 01:29:47,580
hearings potentially

1831
01:29:53,570 --> 01:29:51,360
so um I am kind of holding my breath

1832
01:29:56,990 --> 01:29:53,580
hopefully that they are going to allow

1833
01:29:59,930 --> 01:29:57,000
Luis Elizondo uh Admiral Admiral Wilson

1834
01:30:02,510 --> 01:29:59,940
and Eric Davis you know call them to

1835
01:30:05,570 --> 01:30:02,520
testify that would be a groundbreaking

1836
01:30:07,729 --> 01:30:05,580
uh session that's for sure

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01:30:09,950 --> 01:30:07,739
absolutely let's take our break right

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01:30:11,530 --> 01:30:09,960
here this is Fade to Black I am Jimmy

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church I'm guessing at the one and only

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you start cooking today's Monday

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01:34:38,570 --> 01:34:36,420
Thanksgiving do you start cooking today

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01:34:41,390 --> 01:34:38,580
prep ahead of time what would you even

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01:34:43,610 --> 01:34:41,400
cook today that's uh that's a good

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01:34:45,770 --> 01:34:43,620
question maybe maybe pumpkin pie you

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01:34:48,129 --> 01:34:45,780
would get the pumpkin pie out of the way

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01:34:51,410 --> 01:34:48,139
apple pie get that stuff out of the way

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01:34:53,570 --> 01:34:51,420
but uh yeah it's uh it's cooking all

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01:34:55,250 --> 01:34:53,580
week Happy Thanksgiving everybody our

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01:34:57,830 --> 01:34:55,260
guest tonight Michael Hall

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01:35:00,709 --> 01:34:57,840
oh excuse me

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01:35:04,910 --> 01:35:00,719
that's coffee during the commercial

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01:35:10,850 --> 01:35:08,149
you wear glasses I wear glasses right

1918
01:35:13,070 --> 01:35:10,860
now because I'm starting to get old

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01:35:17,930 --> 01:35:13,080
um but my headphones

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01:35:20,330 --> 01:35:17,940
when I wear the glasses they rub on I

1921
01:35:22,570 --> 01:35:20,340
don't know what this is called and they

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01:35:26,030 --> 01:35:22,580
squeak they go

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01:35:27,950 --> 01:35:26,040
they they squeeze so I have to move the

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01:35:30,590 --> 01:35:27,960
headphones back a little bit I have to

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01:35:32,870 --> 01:35:30,600
move the glasses up a little bit and get

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01:35:35,110 --> 01:35:32,880
them off the headphones otherwise when I

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01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:35,120
just do this they go

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01:35:40,129 --> 01:35:37,920
okay enough of that

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01:35:42,310 --> 01:35:40,139
um this is

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01:35:44,689 --> 01:35:42,320
um what's your opinion on this

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01:35:48,530 --> 01:35:44,699
one of the things

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01:35:50,870 --> 01:35:48,540
and we could go back uh like and look at

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01:35:53,390 --> 01:35:50,880
the Majestic documents or the mj-12

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01:35:55,610 --> 01:35:53,400
documents and go through all of the

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01:35:57,950 --> 01:35:55,620
names that are in there right you can go

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01:36:00,290 --> 01:35:57,960
to Project serpo you can go to anything

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01:36:02,270 --> 01:36:00,300
whether it's docket project Aquarius

1938
01:36:04,250 --> 01:36:02,280
right uh I think that was a hoax

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01:36:06,290 --> 01:36:04,260
document but but

1940
01:36:08,450 --> 01:36:06,300
um no I didn't say that did I say that I

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01:36:10,750 --> 01:36:08,460
didn't mean that I didn't mean that

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01:36:14,209 --> 01:36:10,760
um and you look at the names in there

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01:36:17,270 --> 01:36:14,219
nobody steps forward right nobody nobody

1944
01:36:19,490 --> 01:36:17,280
no no no no they're just documents that

1945
01:36:23,090 --> 01:36:19,500
sit out there and we sit and debate and

1946
01:36:26,709 --> 01:36:23,100
pick them apart and and try to vet and

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01:36:29,750 --> 01:36:26,719
verify and and all of all of that stuff

1948
01:36:32,870 --> 01:36:29,760
that's not the case now is this the

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01:36:34,310 --> 01:36:32,880
first time where all of the parties

1950
01:36:37,669 --> 01:36:34,320
except for Edgar Mitchell but

1951
01:36:40,850 --> 01:36:37,679
everybody's still alive and now like Oak

1952
01:36:43,189 --> 01:36:40,860
Shannon has stepped forward and is this

1953
01:36:46,970 --> 01:36:43,199
the first time where we can go

1954
01:36:49,129 --> 01:36:46,980
wow uh uh we've got we've got

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01:36:50,510 --> 01:36:49,139
confirmation now is this the first time

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01:36:53,450 --> 01:36:50,520
this has ever happened

1957
01:36:55,750 --> 01:36:53,460
you got it right on the money because uh

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01:37:00,410 --> 01:36:55,760
that's one of the reasons that I claim

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01:37:02,689 --> 01:37:00,420
that this uh this memo this uh 15-page

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01:37:04,370 --> 01:37:02,699
Memo by the way single spaced I mean

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01:37:06,830 --> 01:37:04,380
there's a lot of information a lot of

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01:37:09,770 --> 01:37:06,840
names a lot of programs named in there

1963
01:37:11,629 --> 01:37:09,780
uh and and if you were going to hoax a

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01:37:13,550 --> 01:37:11,639
document for instance you know put

1965
01:37:15,470 --> 01:37:13,560
something out for disinformation you

1966
01:37:17,390 --> 01:37:15,480
wouldn't get this detailed you wouldn't

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01:37:19,090 --> 01:37:17,400
name people that are still alive that

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01:37:21,950 --> 01:37:19,100
could you know

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01:37:25,729 --> 01:37:21,960
confirm or deny you know the the whole

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01:37:29,330 --> 01:37:25,739
idea so I think indeed this is the first

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01:37:32,810 --> 01:37:29,340
time that this kind of confirmation uh

1972
01:37:35,689 --> 01:37:32,820
has been leaked and that it is not being

1973
01:37:38,689 --> 01:37:35,699
uh shut down by the military or the

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01:37:41,030 --> 01:37:38,699
government right now and that's another

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01:37:43,250 --> 01:37:41,040
important aspect to this

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01:37:46,310 --> 01:37:43,260
this is a memo

1977
01:37:48,290 --> 01:37:46,320
right nobody can pull this back and go

1978
01:37:52,189 --> 01:37:48,300
no no that's an official top secret

1979
01:37:56,510 --> 01:37:52,199
classified government document and uh no

1980
01:37:59,209 --> 01:37:56,520
no and and this is this is a memo of a

1981
01:38:00,169 --> 01:37:59,219
meeting uh transcribed from the back of

1982
01:38:03,410 --> 01:38:00,179
a car

1983
01:38:06,590 --> 01:38:03,420
there isn't anything that can stop the

1984
01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:06,600
publishing of this is there

1985
01:38:12,770 --> 01:38:09,600
no and indeed uh this is an interview

1986
01:38:15,770 --> 01:38:12,780
with two private citizens at that point

1987
01:38:18,709 --> 01:38:15,780
the Admiral was retired right and Eric

1988
01:38:22,010 --> 01:38:18,719
Davis was uh didn't have any uh security

1989
01:38:24,110 --> 01:38:22,020
clearances at that point uh that were uh

1990
01:38:26,810 --> 01:38:24,120
that he was going to be in trouble with

1991
01:38:29,689 --> 01:38:26,820
so yeah two private citizens are having

1992
01:38:32,030 --> 01:38:29,699
an interview and one of them transcribes

1993
01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:32,040
notes from the interview I I swear

1994
01:38:37,610 --> 01:38:35,040
they're either uh Dr Davis is one of the

1995
01:38:40,310 --> 01:38:37,620
smartest people on the planet or he had

1996
01:38:42,950 --> 01:38:40,320
some kind of a recording device you know

1997
01:38:45,229 --> 01:38:42,960
on him to help him get this transcript

1998
01:38:47,810 --> 01:38:45,239
put together afterwards because it is so

1999
01:38:51,229 --> 01:38:47,820
detailed uh it's an hour and 10 minutes

2000
01:38:54,649 --> 01:38:51,239
worth of an interview that is 15 pages

2001
01:38:56,510 --> 01:38:54,659
long and it it reads like a novel you

2002
01:38:58,550 --> 01:38:56,520
wouldn't believe the tension that you

2003
01:39:02,209 --> 01:38:58,560
feel when you read this document between

2004
01:39:05,290 --> 01:39:02,219
the Admiral and uh what he's disclosing

2005
01:39:09,770 --> 01:39:05,300
to this government scientist Eric Davis

2006
01:39:12,830 --> 01:39:09,780
the uh the fact that Oak Shannon is is

2007
01:39:15,229 --> 01:39:12,840
now on the record right on video too by

2008
01:39:18,050 --> 01:39:15,239
the way I mean this is not even a phone

2009
01:39:20,689 --> 01:39:18,060
call this is a a video interview now

2010
01:39:23,270 --> 01:39:20,699
that he's gone on the record uh does

2011
01:39:26,270 --> 01:39:23,280
does that surprise you

2012
01:39:28,850 --> 01:39:26,280
it it sure did surprise me uh and and

2013
01:39:30,649 --> 01:39:28,860
Jay uh Jay Anderson the guy who uh

2014
01:39:31,970 --> 01:39:30,659
buttonholed him and got got that

2015
01:39:35,510 --> 01:39:31,980
interview

2016
01:39:37,790 --> 01:39:35,520
um was I I'm he's a good good friend of

2017
01:39:40,250 --> 01:39:37,800
mine and I really enjoy

2018
01:39:43,070 --> 01:39:40,260
um his work uh he is so detailed that

2019
01:39:45,050 --> 01:39:43,080
I'm a surprise that Oak Shannon uh was

2020
01:39:46,570 --> 01:39:45,060
willing to talk with him so Oak Shannon

2021
01:39:49,129 --> 01:39:46,580
must have gotten some kind of

2022
01:39:51,590 --> 01:39:49,139
corroboration or encouragement from

2023
01:39:54,669 --> 01:39:51,600
someone else to go and talk with Jay

2024
01:39:56,510 --> 01:39:54,679
Anderson uh and give us this kind of

2025
01:39:59,330 --> 01:39:56,520
semi-coroboration of what's going on

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01:40:01,490 --> 01:39:59,340
with the Wilson document so this is like

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01:40:04,490 --> 01:40:01,500
I said uh Jimmy the first time I've ever

2028
01:40:06,709 --> 01:40:04,500
seen this kind of confirmation go this

2029
01:40:10,550 --> 01:40:06,719
far in detail

2030
01:40:13,610 --> 01:40:10,560
uh what does this do for Eric Davis

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01:40:16,430 --> 01:40:13,620
uh well and and Thomas Wilson too as

2032
01:40:19,310 --> 01:40:16,440
well what does this go uh how does this

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01:40:20,990 --> 01:40:19,320
sit with them in your opinion uh as an

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01:40:26,209 --> 01:40:21,000
attorney

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01:40:28,610 --> 01:40:26,219
um with uh a uh staying silent but B

2036
01:40:31,189 --> 01:40:28,620
there's not a whole lot I would think

2037
01:40:32,810 --> 01:40:31,199
that they could say in denial uh moving

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01:40:36,470 --> 01:40:32,820
forward

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01:40:40,010 --> 01:40:36,480
well uh yeah indeed they um

2040
01:40:42,590 --> 01:40:40,020
they literally uh are in in a position

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01:40:44,689 --> 01:40:42,600
to either try to confirm or deny or

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01:40:46,490 --> 01:40:44,699
debunk let's put it that way if they

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01:40:48,649 --> 01:40:46,500
really wanted to go forward and kind of

2044
01:40:51,229 --> 01:40:48,659
get rid of this thing that both of them

2045
01:40:52,970 --> 01:40:51,239
would come forth and debunk this and say

2046
01:40:54,830 --> 01:40:52,980
that it never happened you know it's got

2047
01:40:57,050 --> 01:40:54,840
to be some disinformation program or

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01:40:59,149 --> 01:40:57,060
something uh neither one of them are

2049
01:41:01,129 --> 01:40:59,159
taking steps to debunk this document

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01:41:03,169 --> 01:41:01,139
Admiral Wilson just doesn't want to talk

2051
01:41:05,930 --> 01:41:03,179
about it he called it poppycock at one

2052
01:41:09,350 --> 01:41:05,940
point for uh Billy Cox's interview of

2053
01:41:11,990 --> 01:41:09,360
him but that predated Oak Shannon by two

2054
01:41:14,870 --> 01:41:12,000
years oh yeah yeah yeah so what all I'm

2055
01:41:16,490 --> 01:41:14,880
saying is that uh during this interim

2056
01:41:19,669 --> 01:41:16,500
period of time they had plenty of

2057
01:41:22,610 --> 01:41:19,679
opportunities uh to stamp this thing out

2058
01:41:24,350 --> 01:41:22,620
if they wanted to and all of a sudden it

2059
01:41:26,990 --> 01:41:24,360
raises its head at the Congressional

2060
01:41:29,090 --> 01:41:27,000
hearing you know all of a sudden uh Oak

2061
01:41:31,850 --> 01:41:29,100
Shannon comes forth and makes a public

2062
01:41:35,330 --> 01:41:31,860
statement You Know Jack how I mean this

2063
01:41:37,550 --> 01:41:35,340
is unprecedented that this disclosure uh

2064
01:41:39,790 --> 01:41:37,560
is getting closer and closer or to some

2065
01:41:44,470 --> 01:41:39,800
kind of a major announcement I believe

2066
01:41:47,209 --> 01:41:44,480
now uh staying with the document itself

2067
01:41:52,370 --> 01:41:47,219
what kind of position

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01:41:54,169 --> 01:41:52,380
uh does this put like Lockheed in and it

2069
01:41:58,910 --> 01:41:54,179
puts Lockheed in a strange position

2070
01:42:01,850 --> 01:41:58,920
because of not only what uh Wilson uh

2071
01:42:03,770 --> 01:42:01,860
Thomas Wilson says you know about his

2072
01:42:07,250 --> 01:42:03,780
meeting uh I'm assuming we're all

2073
01:42:08,390 --> 01:42:07,260
assuming it was Lockheed but uh Eric

2074
01:42:13,490 --> 01:42:08,400
Davis

2075
01:42:16,490 --> 01:42:13,500
stating that he in a classified briefing

2076
01:42:18,050 --> 01:42:16,500
with the Senate disclosed to the Senate

2077
01:42:22,189 --> 01:42:18,060
that we are in possession with craft

2078
01:42:24,649 --> 01:42:22,199
that are not made on planet Earth and it

2079
01:42:26,570 --> 01:42:24,659
it it seems like we're all talking from

2080
01:42:30,229 --> 01:42:26,580
the same page now

2081
01:42:32,030 --> 01:42:30,239
yeah that's the uh amazing thing about

2082
01:42:35,510 --> 01:42:32,040
this whole subject matter because before

2083
01:42:38,470 --> 01:42:35,520
even just a few years before this uh you

2084
01:42:40,310 --> 01:42:38,480
would never have any uh not only

2085
01:42:42,169 --> 01:42:40,320
corroboration but you would never have

2086
01:42:44,649 --> 01:42:42,179
any discussion from the Pentagon

2087
01:42:47,930 --> 01:42:44,659
regarding these matters or the Congress

2088
01:42:49,629 --> 01:42:47,940
uh so basically people are willing to

2089
01:42:52,669 --> 01:42:49,639
talk about this now especially military

2090
01:42:55,790 --> 01:42:52,679
uh people are literally being encouraged

2091
01:42:57,709 --> 01:42:55,800
now to make reports of UAP and those

2092
01:43:00,709 --> 01:42:57,719
kinds of things which had never happened

2093
01:43:04,010 --> 01:43:00,719
before a commercial airline pilots are

2094
01:43:07,250 --> 01:43:04,020
feeling a little bit more free to come

2095
01:43:09,950 --> 01:43:07,260
forth and also make reports as well

2096
01:43:12,350 --> 01:43:09,960
um you know Dr Richard Haynes is another

2097
01:43:13,609 --> 01:43:12,360
one of my clients he he ran narcap for

2098
01:43:17,750 --> 01:43:13,619
many years and that was a pilot

2099
01:43:20,750 --> 01:43:17,760
reporting agency he has over 3 000 uh

2100
01:43:22,550 --> 01:43:20,760
catalog reports of commercial airliners

2101
01:43:26,090 --> 01:43:22,560
you know making these reports as well

2102
01:43:28,450 --> 01:43:26,100
over the last 20 years or so uh so I I

2103
01:43:31,609 --> 01:43:28,460
think that What's Happening Here Johnny

2104
01:43:34,129 --> 01:43:31,619
Jimmy the bottom line is that there's

2105
01:43:35,090 --> 01:43:34,139
been a deadline given I Believe by

2106
01:43:37,910 --> 01:43:35,100
someone

2107
01:43:40,370 --> 01:43:37,920
that if we don't come forth with the

2108
01:43:44,810 --> 01:43:40,380
truth or semi truth about what's going

2109
01:43:47,570 --> 01:43:44,820
on uh in this extraterrestrial Arena uh

2110
01:43:49,129 --> 01:43:47,580
that uh the people out there that are in

2111
01:43:50,930 --> 01:43:49,139
charge are going to do it themselves and

2112
01:43:52,450 --> 01:43:50,940
I don't think that's the government or

2113
01:43:54,830 --> 01:43:52,460
the military

2114
01:43:56,629 --> 01:43:54,840
want that to happen unless they get

2115
01:44:00,590 --> 01:43:56,639
ahead of the spin somehow so they're

2116
01:44:02,930 --> 01:44:00,600
kind of folding in disclosure at a last

2117
01:44:06,470 --> 01:44:02,940
minute as fast as they can so they can

2118
01:44:09,050 --> 01:44:06,480
keep control I believe well now is this

2119
01:44:10,450 --> 01:44:09,060
an example of which I think is a very

2120
01:44:14,990 --> 01:44:10,460
important point

2121
01:44:16,790 --> 01:44:15,000
the Wilson Davis memo the oak Shannon

2122
01:44:18,709 --> 01:44:16,800
notes the oak Shannon interview the Jack

2123
01:44:21,109 --> 01:44:18,719
Houck notes

2124
01:44:23,510 --> 01:44:21,119
um all of this is out of their control

2125
01:44:24,910 --> 01:44:23,520
they're not in control of this this is

2126
01:44:28,790 --> 01:44:24,920
they can't

2127
01:44:31,250 --> 01:44:28,800
everything else special access programs

2128
01:44:33,770 --> 01:44:31,260
the Pentagon how things are dealt with

2129
01:44:37,850 --> 01:44:33,780
including what you know what's going on

2130
01:44:40,910 --> 01:44:37,860
with uh Congressional hearings they can

2131
01:44:43,669 --> 01:44:40,920
control the narrative this is something

2132
01:44:48,169 --> 01:44:43,679
that we always speculated that if

2133
01:44:50,750 --> 01:44:48,179
disclosure happens it very uh very well

2134
01:44:53,270 --> 01:44:50,760
may be caused from something that they

2135
01:44:54,950 --> 01:44:53,280
can't control a document and dump and in

2136
01:44:59,209 --> 01:44:54,960
this case that this is what has happened

2137
01:45:01,310 --> 01:44:59,219
you know uh some leaked videos uh a

2138
01:45:03,229 --> 01:45:01,320
whistleblower but it wouldn't be done

2139
01:45:06,109 --> 01:45:03,239
voluntarily by the Pentagon of

2140
01:45:07,609 --> 01:45:06,119
Washington DC is this an example of that

2141
01:45:09,470 --> 01:45:07,619
something that is completely out of

2142
01:45:13,070 --> 01:45:09,480
their control and now they've got to

2143
01:45:15,290 --> 01:45:13,080
figure out a way to uh to control it and

2144
01:45:17,510 --> 01:45:15,300
get out in front of it yeah I think

2145
01:45:20,810 --> 01:45:17,520
you're right definitely and and things

2146
01:45:23,870 --> 01:45:20,820
like this are happening so fast I would

2147
01:45:26,030 --> 01:45:23,880
really hate to be an inside deep State

2148
01:45:27,290 --> 01:45:26,040
uh guy that was trying to keep the lid

2149
01:45:29,149 --> 01:45:27,300
on things here at this point because

2150
01:45:31,669 --> 01:45:29,159
there's so many leaks going on out there

2151
01:45:34,490 --> 01:45:31,679
so many independent corroborative

2152
01:45:37,010 --> 01:45:34,500
evidence uh say for instance Carolyn

2153
01:45:39,950 --> 01:45:37,020
Corey's latest film you know a tear in

2154
01:45:41,750 --> 01:45:39,960
this guy my guy we went out I was in the

2155
01:45:43,850 --> 01:45:41,760
film myself but we went out to Catalina

2156
01:45:46,669 --> 01:45:43,860
Island and found those Tic Tacs again I

2157
01:45:48,350 --> 01:45:46,679
mean literally got them on tape so there

2158
01:45:50,810 --> 01:45:48,360
are a whole lot of folks out there that

2159
01:45:52,850 --> 01:45:50,820
are corroborating what's going on and at

2160
01:45:54,970 --> 01:45:52,860
one point the cat's out of the bag and

2161
01:45:59,689 --> 01:45:54,980
they're going to have to deal with it

2162
01:46:02,890 --> 01:45:59,699
the um uh the the point

2163
01:46:09,649 --> 01:46:02,900
um of not being in their control

2164
01:46:10,790 --> 01:46:09,659
where the how do I say this the ah I

2165
01:46:13,910 --> 01:46:10,800
just don't want to get myself in trouble

2166
01:46:18,350 --> 01:46:13,920
there are those out there without naming

2167
01:46:20,810 --> 01:46:18,360
names that have tried to say that they

2168
01:46:22,250 --> 01:46:20,820
are the keepers of the secrets and we've

2169
01:46:25,850 --> 01:46:22,260
been dealing with this now for the last

2170
01:46:28,010 --> 01:46:25,860
four or five years and and out there we

2171
01:46:31,550 --> 01:46:28,020
know what's going on let us do our that

2172
01:46:34,729 --> 01:46:31,560
we we are running this show well the

2173
01:46:37,669 --> 01:46:34,739
Wilson Davis bubbles to the surface Jack

2174
01:46:41,510 --> 01:46:37,679
Houck Oak Shannon the notes everything

2175
01:46:44,209 --> 01:46:41,520
else that this was not part of their

2176
01:46:46,189 --> 01:46:44,219
story and the way that they were rolling

2177
01:46:49,310 --> 01:46:46,199
it out was it they didn't expect this

2178
01:46:52,910 --> 01:46:49,320
and it was the community the community

2179
01:46:54,770 --> 01:46:52,920
that came together uh and and and and

2180
01:46:56,990 --> 01:46:54,780
and brought the Wilson Davis document

2181
01:47:00,890 --> 01:46:57,000
it's out into the public this wasn't

2182
01:47:03,470 --> 01:47:00,900
done by by the Pentagon or secret uh the

2183
01:47:05,270 --> 01:47:03,480
attack Tic-Tac video no this is

2184
01:47:07,669 --> 01:47:05,280
something completely different that was

2185
01:47:11,030 --> 01:47:07,679
done by the community not from those

2186
01:47:12,470 --> 01:47:11,040
that are are labeling themselves as The

2187
01:47:14,570 --> 01:47:12,480
Gatekeepers

2188
01:47:16,070 --> 01:47:14,580
yeah yeah but you know uh in

2189
01:47:18,850 --> 01:47:16,080
counterintelligence

2190
01:47:21,350 --> 01:47:18,860
um you literally take advantage of

2191
01:47:23,870 --> 01:47:21,360
opportunities that you don't necessarily

2192
01:47:26,030 --> 01:47:23,880
plan for and I think that's what

2193
01:47:27,950 --> 01:47:26,040
happened here with this Admiral Wilson

2194
01:47:30,950 --> 01:47:27,960
memo because they they weren't planning

2195
01:47:33,890 --> 01:47:30,960
so let's stop right there how so yeah

2196
01:47:36,470 --> 01:47:33,900
well let me explain because indeed when

2197
01:47:40,250 --> 01:47:36,480
this thing leaked uh over social media

2198
01:47:43,450 --> 01:47:40,260
this was June 6th of 2019 all of a

2199
01:47:46,250 --> 01:47:43,460
sudden it was out and it was so detailed

2200
01:47:49,070 --> 01:47:46,260
so damning really if you're you know

2201
01:47:51,229 --> 01:47:49,080
playing sides on this thing uh that

2202
01:47:53,810 --> 01:47:51,239
we've been lied to for decades so that

2203
01:47:55,189 --> 01:47:53,820
kind of deal and and the reality is is

2204
01:47:57,410 --> 01:47:55,199
that if if

2205
01:47:59,810 --> 01:47:57,420
um if they wanted to shut that down they

2206
01:48:02,750 --> 01:47:59,820
could have right away but then again

2207
01:48:06,050 --> 01:48:02,760
uh this Character Chase Williams from

2208
01:48:07,910 --> 01:48:06,060
the Pentagon uh the CIA was working at

2209
01:48:11,209 --> 01:48:07,920
the Pentagon as well

2210
01:48:13,729 --> 01:48:11,219
um was basically in charge of or did

2211
01:48:16,310 --> 01:48:13,739
whatever he did to get this memo leaked

2212
01:48:18,290 --> 01:48:16,320
this was a pentagon person who leaked

2213
01:48:20,689 --> 01:48:18,300
this thing is what we're finding out

2214
01:48:22,970 --> 01:48:20,699
Grant Cameron was trying to figure out

2215
01:48:25,850 --> 01:48:22,980
how to do it you know and not you know

2216
01:48:27,709 --> 01:48:25,860
lose his reputation and or have anybody

2217
01:48:30,410 --> 01:48:27,719
never speak to him again that was one of

2218
01:48:33,709 --> 01:48:30,420
his main issues and or get bumped off

2219
01:48:36,290 --> 01:48:33,719
you know for doing it but um literally

2220
01:48:39,169 --> 01:48:36,300
um there was a reason why the Deep state

2221
01:48:43,430 --> 01:48:39,179
or at least the gray hats whoever wanted

2222
01:48:47,810 --> 01:48:43,440
this document out because they leaked it

2223
01:48:50,570 --> 01:48:47,820
um what uh in in in moving forward and

2224
01:48:52,550 --> 01:48:50,580
and also when we come back after the

2225
01:48:54,350 --> 01:48:52,560
break I want to talk briefly about a

2226
01:48:57,109 --> 01:48:54,360
tear in the sky

2227
01:48:59,030 --> 01:48:57,119
um too many significant things happened

2228
01:49:03,109 --> 01:48:59,040
in that film

2229
01:49:06,590 --> 01:49:03,119
um but with this coming out the way that

2230
01:49:09,830 --> 01:49:06,600
it did again uh this was a community

2231
01:49:11,870 --> 01:49:09,840
effort uh a grant Cameron yourself and

2232
01:49:13,669 --> 01:49:11,880
the rest of the community and also the

2233
01:49:15,950 --> 01:49:13,679
vetting of the document and and going

2234
01:49:17,450 --> 01:49:15,960
back and finding the progenator of

2235
01:49:19,490 --> 01:49:17,460
everything and how it was established

2236
01:49:22,490 --> 01:49:19,500
and then pulling the names out and and

2237
01:49:26,870 --> 01:49:22,500
getting this was a community effort

2238
01:49:30,830 --> 01:49:26,880
um to to have it uh turn around

2239
01:49:33,890 --> 01:49:30,840
um uh and go against this other rollout

2240
01:49:35,870 --> 01:49:33,900
that has been happening uh apparently

2241
01:49:38,689 --> 01:49:35,880
you know with disclosure and

2242
01:49:42,350 --> 01:49:38,699
Congressional hearings uh can the two of

2243
01:49:43,609 --> 01:49:42,360
them work together moving forward you

2244
01:49:46,910 --> 01:49:43,619
know what I mean can they can they

2245
01:49:48,970 --> 01:49:46,920
operate side by side or is is the Wilson

2246
01:49:51,649 --> 01:49:48,980
Davis documents going to blow things out

2247
01:49:54,830 --> 01:49:51,659
uh in its own way

2248
01:49:57,590 --> 01:49:54,840
well um it really is going to depend on

2249
01:50:00,709 --> 01:49:57,600
whether this uh

2250
01:50:02,390 --> 01:50:00,719
the Congress gives these potential

2251
01:50:06,109 --> 01:50:02,400
whistleblower

2252
01:50:07,550 --> 01:50:06,119
um you know testimony folks uh some uh

2253
01:50:09,649 --> 01:50:07,560
comfort zone that they're not going to

2254
01:50:11,930 --> 01:50:09,659
get like you know slapped in the face

2255
01:50:14,030 --> 01:50:11,940
and you know thrown in Guantanamo Bay if

2256
01:50:16,609 --> 01:50:14,040
they testify I think that's going to be

2257
01:50:19,070 --> 01:50:16,619
a major issue now I understand they've

2258
01:50:20,870 --> 01:50:19,080
already been voted on that fact that

2259
01:50:22,669 --> 01:50:20,880
these guys are going to get anonymity or

2260
01:50:24,169 --> 01:50:22,679
you know they're not going to worry

2261
01:50:25,310 --> 01:50:24,179
about their security clearances or

2262
01:50:27,410 --> 01:50:25,320
anything

2263
01:50:29,570 --> 01:50:27,420
um so I think then that they're

2264
01:50:32,030 --> 01:50:29,580
literally if you're in charge of the

2265
01:50:35,330 --> 01:50:32,040
deep State and you're trying to manage

2266
01:50:39,050 --> 01:50:35,340
this you know disclosure you're going to

2267
01:50:42,530 --> 01:50:39,060
have to use them uh the witnesses uh and

2268
01:50:46,129 --> 01:50:42,540
testimony and documentary uh evidence uh

2269
01:50:48,770 --> 01:50:46,139
to um spin the story somehow so I'm I'm

2270
01:50:50,629 --> 01:50:48,780
anticipating that at one point they're

2271
01:50:53,450 --> 01:50:50,639
going to have a you know an announcement

2272
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:53,460
that uh yeah there are life on other

2273
01:50:57,350 --> 01:50:55,440
planets and they're probably visiting

2274
01:51:00,530 --> 01:50:57,360
our planet and stuff but

2275
01:51:03,290 --> 01:51:00,540
but you know they're gonna have to also

2276
01:51:04,550 --> 01:51:03,300
have a spin that maybe there are some uh

2277
01:51:06,709 --> 01:51:04,560
threats out there that we need to

2278
01:51:08,629 --> 01:51:06,719
protect ourselves from so that's why we

2279
01:51:11,030 --> 01:51:08,639
we need to do what we do you know to

2280
01:51:13,850 --> 01:51:11,040
make sure we keep and control this thing

2281
01:51:17,570 --> 01:51:13,860
let's stay right there

2282
01:51:20,330 --> 01:51:17,580
um the threat narrative uh is so is the

2283
01:51:21,609 --> 01:51:20,340
agenda from the other camp

2284
01:51:24,830 --> 01:51:21,619
right

2285
01:51:27,050 --> 01:51:24,840
you know it's it's potentially uh

2286
01:51:29,090 --> 01:51:27,060
adversarial as potentially China it

2287
01:51:31,669 --> 01:51:29,100
could be Russia it could be aliens we

2288
01:51:34,370 --> 01:51:31,679
don't know but it's a threat to our

2289
01:51:37,250 --> 01:51:34,380
airspace and our service members threat

2290
01:51:39,410 --> 01:51:37,260
threat threat fear fear fear there is no

2291
01:51:43,550 --> 01:51:39,420
mention of any of that in the Wilson

2292
01:51:46,629 --> 01:51:43,560
Davis document the Wilson Davis document

2293
01:51:49,189 --> 01:51:46,639
um absolutely references one thing

2294
01:51:52,370 --> 01:51:49,199
backwards engineering special access

2295
01:51:55,070 --> 01:51:52,380
programs of alien craft that we have on

2296
01:51:58,370 --> 01:51:55,080
this planet that's what the what there

2297
01:52:02,209 --> 01:51:58,380
is no mention of fear of adversaries of

2298
01:52:06,050 --> 01:52:02,219
an ET agenda uh it's it's not about that

2299
01:52:09,290 --> 01:52:06,060
at all now now if if the the new report

2300
01:52:11,209 --> 01:52:09,300
comes out the UAP UFO report comes out

2301
01:52:13,010 --> 01:52:11,219
there are rumors that it's going to

2302
01:52:15,410 --> 01:52:13,020
point directly at China right it's going

2303
01:52:18,530 --> 01:52:15,420
to point directly at Russia as being

2304
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:18,540
responsible for these uh most of the

2305
01:52:23,030 --> 01:52:20,400
sightings that's not what the Wilson

2306
01:52:27,410 --> 01:52:23,040
Davis document says does it

2307
01:52:28,970 --> 01:52:27,420
no and it is curious to note that um the

2308
01:52:30,649 --> 01:52:28,980
people that are speaking in this

2309
01:52:32,510 --> 01:52:30,659
document you know these uh three

2310
01:52:34,250 --> 01:52:32,520
Gatekeepers you know from this uh

2311
01:52:37,850 --> 01:52:34,260
unacknowledged special Access program

2312
01:52:40,070 --> 01:52:37,860
that the Admiral met with they're not

2313
01:52:42,350 --> 01:52:40,080
um telling the Admiral that they can't

2314
01:52:45,290 --> 01:52:42,360
say what's going on because of the

2315
01:52:47,149 --> 01:52:45,300
threat that this could pose to uh the

2316
01:52:48,890 --> 01:52:47,159
American people they're never talking

2317
01:52:52,189 --> 01:52:48,900
about that they're talking about the

2318
01:52:55,370 --> 01:52:52,199
fact that a long time ago like 1947

2319
01:52:57,530 --> 01:52:55,380
right something happened right and we

2320
01:53:00,050 --> 01:52:57,540
are in now in possession of technology

2321
01:53:02,390 --> 01:53:00,060
and they're not even talking about it

2322
01:53:04,490 --> 01:53:02,400
being a negative thing no and so we've

2323
01:53:06,770 --> 01:53:04,500
got the head of security there from

2324
01:53:08,390 --> 01:53:06,780
Lockheed you've got their attorney and

2325
01:53:09,830 --> 01:53:08,400
you got the guy that uh the manager

2326
01:53:12,290 --> 01:53:09,840
that's running the program right those

2327
01:53:16,129 --> 01:53:12,300
are the three dudes and they literally

2328
01:53:22,209 --> 01:53:16,139
go well uh might as well tell them okay

2329
01:53:28,310 --> 01:53:26,149
just come straight out and tell them uh

2330
01:53:31,550 --> 01:53:28,320
we've got uh we've got a spaceship and

2331
01:53:34,010 --> 01:53:31,560
we think it can fly it's it's ETS and

2332
01:53:36,590 --> 01:53:34,020
we've got it in the other room that's

2333
01:53:39,530 --> 01:53:36,600
what this is all about and and here's

2334
01:53:42,310 --> 01:53:39,540
the thing you know I I want your uh

2335
01:53:45,050 --> 01:53:42,320
reaction to that but Point number two

2336
01:53:48,350 --> 01:53:45,060
they've immediately after telling them

2337
01:53:50,990 --> 01:53:48,360
it's aliens they go and you can you can

2338
01:53:52,990 --> 01:53:51,000
[\h__\h] you can complain you can yell you

2339
01:53:55,250 --> 01:53:53,000
can scream you can do whatever you want

2340
01:53:58,430 --> 01:53:55,260
it don't matter

2341
01:54:00,950 --> 01:53:58,440
and and and he's and you can see the

2342
01:54:04,550 --> 01:54:00,960
anger right in the conversation and

2343
01:54:06,370 --> 01:54:04,560
Wilson says so I did just that I they

2344
01:54:09,350 --> 01:54:06,380
tell him you can fly back to Washington

2345
01:54:11,870 --> 01:54:09,360
piss and moan Go ahead nobody's gonna

2346
01:54:14,870 --> 01:54:11,880
care doesn't matter we're gonna do our

2347
01:54:16,729 --> 01:54:14,880
thing so Wilson says he flies back to

2348
01:54:18,770 --> 01:54:16,739
Washington and starts screaming at

2349
01:54:21,350 --> 01:54:18,780
everybody and they all tell them it

2350
01:54:24,050 --> 01:54:21,360
doesn't matter man go about your

2351
01:54:27,410 --> 01:54:24,060
business this is way above your pay

2352
01:54:29,689 --> 01:54:27,420
grade and he's the J2 what's your

2353
01:54:31,070 --> 01:54:29,699
reaction to that especially from a legal

2354
01:54:34,189 --> 01:54:31,080
standpoint

2355
01:54:36,890 --> 01:54:34,199
uh that is just a little hilarious and

2356
01:54:39,109 --> 01:54:36,900
just an amazing scene that I can see in

2357
01:54:41,510 --> 01:54:39,119
my mind of a movie that might be made

2358
01:54:43,310 --> 01:54:41,520
about this whole phenomenon later on you

2359
01:54:45,410 --> 01:54:43,320
know the Admiral Wilson memo I could see

2360
01:54:47,030 --> 01:54:45,420
Tom Hanks playing Admiral Wilson you

2361
01:54:50,629 --> 01:54:47,040
know getting really pissed off in trying

2362
01:54:53,450 --> 01:54:50,639
to find his detail about UFOs but anyway

2363
01:54:55,729 --> 01:54:53,460
um the the whole issue that I can see is

2364
01:54:58,430 --> 01:54:55,739
that uh you know these these guys

2365
01:55:00,950 --> 01:54:58,440
literally had been almost outed before

2366
01:55:03,410 --> 01:55:00,960
this these Gatekeepers and Lockheed

2367
01:55:05,689 --> 01:55:03,420
Martin whatever with a pentagon audit

2368
01:55:07,189 --> 01:55:05,699
that found out that they've got all

2369
01:55:08,689 --> 01:55:07,199
these billions of dollars that they're

2370
01:55:11,689 --> 01:55:08,699
spending on something and they didn't

2371
01:55:15,830 --> 01:55:11,699
know what it was being spent for when in

2372
01:55:18,350 --> 01:55:15,840
reality the Pentagon auditor uh was was

2373
01:55:21,290 --> 01:55:18,360
forcing them to give him information as

2374
01:55:22,970 --> 01:55:21,300
well so these guys now as Gatekeepers

2375
01:55:24,830 --> 01:55:22,980
the same guys

2376
01:55:27,709 --> 01:55:24,840
um are pretty much bulletproof they

2377
01:55:30,109 --> 01:55:27,719
think because of the um the further

2378
01:55:33,169 --> 01:55:30,119
clamping down uh that the federal

2379
01:55:35,689 --> 01:55:33,179
government has allowed them to do now on

2380
01:55:38,209 --> 01:55:35,699
this whole subject matter and you know

2381
01:55:39,649 --> 01:55:38,219
the the whole issue of you know uh he

2382
01:55:41,750 --> 01:55:39,659
going back to the Pentagon and then

2383
01:55:43,490 --> 01:55:41,760
talking for instance with his good buddy

2384
01:55:45,350 --> 01:55:43,500
he's got some friends you know he's been

2385
01:55:48,530 --> 01:55:45,360
doing this whole thing for a long time

2386
01:55:51,770 --> 01:55:48,540
Admiral Wilson and he gets uh talking

2387
01:55:55,010 --> 01:55:51,780
with uh Jacques ganzler is one of his

2388
01:55:56,750 --> 01:55:55,020
friends at the Pentagon and and was you

2389
01:55:59,030 --> 01:55:56,760
know moaning to Jacques about what

2390
01:56:01,129 --> 01:55:59,040
happened and Jacques said hey you have

2391
01:56:04,910 --> 01:56:01,139
to drop this if you don't you're going

2392
01:56:06,709 --> 01:56:04,920
to lose a couple Stars your pension no

2393
01:56:09,050 --> 01:56:06,719
um you know advancement at all anymore

2394
01:56:11,629 --> 01:56:09,060
and you're gonna be forced to retire I

2395
01:56:14,270 --> 01:56:11,639
mean he he laid it out on the table and

2396
01:56:17,209 --> 01:56:14,280
then remember when you and I went

2397
01:56:19,609 --> 01:56:17,219
through this memo line by line the first

2398
01:56:21,229 --> 01:56:19,619
time it had ever been mentioned to the

2399
01:56:23,629 --> 01:56:21,239
public like that by the way it was a

2400
01:56:25,310 --> 01:56:23,639
deep dive that you did uh when you

2401
01:56:26,810 --> 01:56:25,320
interviewed me that Monday after the

2402
01:56:30,590 --> 01:56:26,820
Thursday

2403
01:56:33,649 --> 01:56:30,600
um uh release we talked on your show on

2404
01:56:37,910 --> 01:56:33,659
Monday and got to the details of this

2405
01:56:41,270 --> 01:56:37,920
this uh memo itself and that's when when

2406
01:56:44,870 --> 01:56:41,280
I found on page what was it page 13 the

2407
01:56:46,570 --> 01:56:44,880
infamous page 13. where Jacques ensler

2408
01:56:50,750 --> 01:56:46,580
tells Admiral Wilson

2409
01:56:52,609 --> 01:56:50,760
UFOs exist but alien abductions don't

2410
01:56:56,510 --> 01:56:52,619
exist right

2411
01:56:58,490 --> 01:56:56,520
and that to me cemented the fact that

2412
01:56:59,450 --> 01:56:58,500
this is a true document and I'll tell

2413
01:57:02,330 --> 01:56:59,460
you why

2414
01:57:03,550 --> 01:57:02,340
I can imagine that when the Admiral was

2415
01:57:05,930 --> 01:57:03,560
you know

2416
01:57:07,310 --> 01:57:05,940
fluffling feathers and trying to get so

2417
01:57:10,129 --> 01:57:07,320
mad about what's going on and what

2418
01:57:12,229 --> 01:57:10,139
happened to him that the uh the powers

2419
01:57:13,490 --> 01:57:12,239
that be at the Pentagon decided we we

2420
01:57:16,189 --> 01:57:13,500
need to give this guy some

2421
01:57:18,169 --> 01:57:16,199
disinformation just in case he goes

2422
01:57:20,390 --> 01:57:18,179
Rogue on us no one's going to believe

2423
01:57:24,410 --> 01:57:20,400
the guy anyway so we're going to tell

2424
01:57:26,870 --> 01:57:24,420
him alien abductions don't exist uh even

2425
01:57:29,030 --> 01:57:26,880
if UFOs exist

2426
01:57:30,830 --> 01:57:29,040
um which is kind of an interesting twist

2427
01:57:31,669 --> 01:57:30,840
because they're willing to let that go

2428
01:57:35,089 --> 01:57:31,679
now

2429
01:57:37,729 --> 01:57:35,099
the whole idea of UFOs existing they're

2430
01:57:40,970 --> 01:57:37,739
not even talking about trying to debunk

2431
01:57:44,149 --> 01:57:40,980
that at all but the whole idea of alien

2432
01:57:47,689 --> 01:57:44,159
abductions not existing is just so un

2433
01:57:50,030 --> 01:57:47,699
incred uncredible that no one would uh

2434
01:57:53,149 --> 01:57:50,040
literally believe that in the ufology

2435
01:57:56,450 --> 01:57:53,159
community anyway well you know last week

2436
01:57:58,129 --> 01:57:56,460
Thursday after the show I watched uh for

2437
01:58:00,189 --> 01:57:58,139
the 100th time

2438
01:58:03,290 --> 01:58:00,199
Close Encounters of the Third Kind

2439
01:58:05,450 --> 01:58:03,300
confirming abductions are real so but

2440
01:58:06,950 --> 01:58:05,460
here's the thing

2441
01:58:10,310 --> 01:58:06,960
um and we're going to head to a break

2442
01:58:13,729 --> 01:58:10,320
but uh we've got a few minutes

2443
01:58:16,930 --> 01:58:13,739
um Admiral Wilson

2444
01:58:19,750 --> 01:58:16,940
says and he finds out for the first time

2445
01:58:24,109 --> 01:58:19,760
uh in his eyes

2446
01:58:27,050 --> 01:58:24,119
that there are security levels higher

2447
01:58:28,609 --> 01:58:27,060
than his access and he didn't think that

2448
01:58:31,070 --> 01:58:28,619
that was possible

2449
01:58:34,689 --> 01:58:31,080
right and and this was confirmation of

2450
01:58:38,030 --> 01:58:34,699
that uh we're were you surprised to have

2451
01:58:39,830 --> 01:58:38,040
Admiral Wilson admit and say you know

2452
01:58:41,689 --> 01:58:39,840
this really pissed me off I didn't think

2453
01:58:44,570 --> 01:58:41,699
that this was possible did that surprise

2454
01:58:48,050 --> 01:58:44,580
you yeah yeah definitely you would not

2455
01:58:50,570 --> 01:58:48,060
think that an admiral uh J2 by the way

2456
01:58:53,510 --> 01:58:50,580
Joint Chiefs of Staff you know second in

2457
01:58:56,270 --> 01:58:53,520
command or in command of all the

2458
01:58:57,890 --> 01:58:56,280
military intelligence departments you

2459
01:59:00,649 --> 01:58:57,900
wouldn't think that he would admit the

2460
01:59:03,050 --> 01:59:00,659
fact that he didn't have the power uh

2461
01:59:07,310 --> 01:59:03,060
that these guys were keeping away from

2462
01:59:10,129 --> 01:59:07,320
him but he was quite and by the way I

2463
01:59:12,050 --> 01:59:10,139
have drawn up for my book a list of 13

2464
01:59:14,689 --> 01:59:12,060
people that I have come up with that

2465
01:59:17,810 --> 01:59:14,699
literally as you mentioned on the show

2466
01:59:19,669 --> 01:59:17,820
with uh uh Richard Dolan at one point uh

2467
01:59:23,089 --> 01:59:19,679
are probably the people that are most

2468
01:59:25,010 --> 01:59:23,099
important hominids on the planet in in

2469
01:59:26,689 --> 01:59:25,020
the history of humanity I remember when

2470
01:59:28,910 --> 01:59:26,699
you mentioned that I'm going well Grant

2471
01:59:31,250 --> 01:59:28,920
Cameron of course you know Richard going

2472
01:59:32,890 --> 01:59:31,260
you're on the list it's as well on my

2473
01:59:35,750 --> 01:59:32,900
list anyway so

2474
01:59:37,790 --> 01:59:35,760
there are certain people I think that

2475
01:59:38,470 --> 01:59:37,800
literally out there

2476
01:59:41,450 --> 01:59:38,480
um

2477
01:59:43,550 --> 01:59:41,460
there's so many details that had to fall

2478
01:59:46,669 --> 01:59:43,560
into place for this memo to actually

2479
01:59:48,770 --> 01:59:46,679
leak into the public that the people

2480
01:59:51,890 --> 01:59:48,780
that were involved in that need to have

2481
01:59:55,430 --> 01:59:51,900
some kind of Kudos given to them and God

2482
01:59:56,870 --> 01:59:55,440
bless uh uh you know uh Dr Greer my gosh

2483
01:59:58,189 --> 01:59:56,880
he's the guy who started this whole

2484
01:59:59,750 --> 01:59:58,199
issue

2485
02:00:03,310 --> 01:59:59,760
um and in the beginning but it was Eric

2486
02:00:07,070 --> 02:00:03,320
Davis who literally tied it all down

2487
02:00:10,070 --> 02:00:07,080
the um the idea that it's been put out

2488
02:00:12,890 --> 02:00:10,080
there for a very long time Michael that

2489
02:00:15,470 --> 02:00:12,900
uh there are classifications above the

2490
02:00:16,850 --> 02:00:15,480
preso dent right and most people would

2491
02:00:18,530 --> 02:00:16,860
think that we're talking about the

2492
02:00:20,209 --> 02:00:18,540
leader of the Free World you know you're

2493
02:00:23,470 --> 02:00:20,219
president of the United States you run

2494
02:00:26,810 --> 02:00:23,480
the planet right and apparently not

2495
02:00:28,790 --> 02:00:26,820
right that there are and it's not even

2496
02:00:32,089 --> 02:00:28,800
the security levels

2497
02:00:35,750 --> 02:00:32,099
um are above the Pentagon they're above

2498
02:00:39,530 --> 02:00:35,760
the Joint Chiefs they are in the public

2499
02:00:41,810 --> 02:00:39,540
domain in the private sector

2500
02:00:44,570 --> 02:00:41,820
that's an insane thought but this

2501
02:00:47,089 --> 02:00:44,580
document confirms just that that

2502
02:00:49,030 --> 02:00:47,099
somebody that should have access to all

2503
02:00:53,290 --> 02:00:49,040
of the secrets on planet Earth

2504
02:00:56,870 --> 02:00:53,300
apparently doesn't and they told him

2505
02:00:59,870 --> 02:00:56,880
literally yes and and adver Wilson

2506
02:01:02,450 --> 02:00:59,880
confirms this bigot list that this

2507
02:01:04,430 --> 02:01:02,460
independent contractor had didn't have

2508
02:01:06,169 --> 02:01:04,440
the president United States on it no

2509
02:01:09,050 --> 02:01:06,179
White House people no Congressional

2510
02:01:12,109 --> 02:01:09,060
people no military a lack of military

2511
02:01:13,669 --> 02:01:12,119
there were some military people on it

2512
02:01:15,410 --> 02:01:13,679
um you bring up a really good point I

2513
02:01:19,430 --> 02:01:15,420
got to take a break

2514
02:01:22,490 --> 02:01:19,440
um the bigot list bigot has some

2515
02:01:26,510 --> 02:01:22,500
negative auras to it it's that is not

2516
02:01:28,310 --> 02:01:26,520
what the bigot list is this uh its

2517
02:01:31,729 --> 02:01:28,320
Origins are with the British in World

2518
02:01:35,870 --> 02:01:31,739
War II and the invasion of Normandy and

2519
02:01:39,950 --> 02:01:35,880
and who has a background that can be

2520
02:01:41,629 --> 02:01:39,960
trusted that's what the bigot list is

2521
02:01:43,490 --> 02:01:41,639
it's a little bit more expansive than

2522
02:01:45,410 --> 02:01:43,500
that but that that kind of breaks it

2523
02:01:47,450 --> 02:01:45,420
down let's take our break right here

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02:01:50,990 --> 02:01:47,460
this is Fade to Black great show tonight

2525
02:01:53,810 --> 02:01:51,000
great conversation Michael W Hall his

2526
02:01:55,370 --> 02:01:53,820
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2527
02:01:57,050 --> 02:01:55,380
being wrapped up right now it's going to

2528
02:01:57,770 --> 02:01:57,060
release in a couple of weeks we'll be

2529
02:02:07,189 --> 02:01:57,780
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2591
02:05:41,990 --> 02:05:35,040
Michael W Hall

2592
02:05:45,530 --> 02:05:42,000
enjoyed you and Dexter I mean great

2593
02:05:48,290 --> 02:05:45,540
great TV series great TV series yeah the

2594
02:05:50,209 --> 02:05:48,300
funny thing is is that I literally was

2595
02:05:52,250 --> 02:05:50,219
doing the open mic nights and trying to

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02:05:54,169 --> 02:05:52,260
get acting I was taking acting uh

2597
02:05:58,250 --> 02:05:54,179
workshops in LA

2598
02:06:00,410 --> 02:05:58,260
before a Michael C Hall was Dexter and

2599
02:06:02,810 --> 02:06:00,420
literally um I got my after card as

2600
02:06:05,390 --> 02:06:02,820
Michael W Hall and so that's the reason

2601
02:06:07,129 --> 02:06:05,400
I I'm like I brag about that's the

2602
02:06:09,470 --> 02:06:07,139
reason why Michael Hall had to go

2603
02:06:12,430 --> 02:06:09,480
Michael C Hall because I had already had

2604
02:06:18,589 --> 02:06:16,010
you should have just uh got him to pay a

2605
02:06:21,050 --> 02:06:18,599
little nosh yeah I probably would have

2606
02:06:22,790 --> 02:06:21,060
taken it at the time that's for sure you

2607
02:06:25,189 --> 02:06:22,800
could have it I don't have any issues

2608
02:06:27,229 --> 02:06:25,199
for that I want to get to uh it's very

2609
02:06:30,830 --> 02:06:27,239
important because

2610
02:06:34,129 --> 02:06:30,840
um I know I I I'm just saying this as a

2611
02:06:37,910 --> 02:06:34,139
fact I know that uh when people hear you

2612
02:06:40,609 --> 02:06:37,920
know bigot list they are if they they

2613
02:06:42,589 --> 02:06:40,619
don't know I I get it because it uh

2614
02:06:45,350 --> 02:06:42,599
nobody wants to be called a bigot right

2615
02:06:48,290 --> 02:06:45,360
and and they immediately jump on and and

2616
02:06:50,149 --> 02:06:48,300
they should all right but that's not

2617
02:06:54,649 --> 02:06:50,159
what we're talking about here so let me

2618
02:06:57,770 --> 02:06:54,659
give you the official definition of a

2619
02:07:01,070 --> 02:06:57,780
bigot list right a bigot list is a list

2620
02:07:04,490 --> 02:07:01,080
of personnel possessing appropriate

2621
02:07:08,209 --> 02:07:04,500
security clearance and who are clear to

2622
02:07:11,149 --> 02:07:08,219
know details of a particular operation

2623
02:07:13,609 --> 02:07:11,159
again this this started in World War II

2624
02:07:15,830 --> 02:07:13,619
we had lots of Secrets and invaded

2625
02:07:17,990 --> 02:07:15,840
things and and operations and things

2626
02:07:20,149 --> 02:07:18,000
that were going on so there was a need

2627
02:07:21,530 --> 02:07:20,159
to know list that was put together by

2628
02:07:26,570 --> 02:07:21,540
the British

2629
02:07:28,430 --> 02:07:26,580
um who uh are not only uh uh required

2630
02:07:32,930 --> 02:07:28,440
because of their participation in the

2631
02:07:36,050 --> 02:07:32,940
operation but that could be trusted so

2632
02:07:38,750 --> 02:07:36,060
you had your your your reputation here

2633
02:07:41,390 --> 02:07:38,760
too as well and if you made it on the

2634
02:07:43,669 --> 02:07:41,400
bigot list you were

2635
02:07:46,189 --> 02:07:43,679
um you were you were trusted by the

2636
02:07:49,010 --> 02:07:46,199
nation that was that was a really really

2637
02:07:52,129 --> 02:07:49,020
big deal yeah yeah good good example a

2638
02:07:56,030 --> 02:07:52,139
great explanation and to literally

2639
02:07:57,649 --> 02:07:56,040
um tell how this name came about uh what

2640
02:07:59,089 --> 02:07:57,659
happened was that during the second

2641
02:08:02,030 --> 02:07:59,099
world war when they were planning the

2642
02:08:03,830 --> 02:08:02,040
invasion of at Normandy uh they used the

2643
02:08:07,129 --> 02:08:03,840
Isle of Gibraltar

2644
02:08:09,410 --> 02:08:07,139
as a staging point for um you know the

2645
02:08:10,790 --> 02:08:09,420
security and Intelligence Officers that

2646
02:08:13,250 --> 02:08:10,800
were flying over there to coordinate

2647
02:08:16,490 --> 02:08:13,260
things and so their tickets back in

2648
02:08:17,750 --> 02:08:16,500
those days said to Gibraltar and then

2649
02:08:20,450 --> 02:08:17,760
they were

2650
02:08:22,370 --> 02:08:20,460
um shortened to to jib

2651
02:08:24,550 --> 02:08:22,380
that's what it said on their tickets so

2652
02:08:27,470 --> 02:08:24,560
that they were on a need to know basis

2653
02:08:30,370 --> 02:08:27,480
then in the second world after the war

2654
02:08:34,790 --> 02:08:30,380
was over the intelligence departments

2655
02:08:37,790 --> 02:08:34,800
reversed to jib to bigot that's where

2656
02:08:40,910 --> 02:08:37,800
the term came from so you're right

2657
02:08:44,709 --> 02:08:40,920
yeah so the bigot list when it comes to

2658
02:08:48,410 --> 02:08:44,719
backwards engineering uh UFO craft

2659
02:08:51,229 --> 02:08:48,420
uh and and these special access programs

2660
02:08:53,330 --> 02:08:51,239
there is going to be a list of people on

2661
02:08:55,850 --> 02:08:53,340
there that are not going to talk it's

2662
02:08:58,490 --> 02:08:55,860
that simple course and you pointed out

2663
02:09:01,010 --> 02:08:58,500
during your interview of myself back

2664
02:09:03,470 --> 02:09:01,020
when this thing broke that um there are

2665
02:09:06,470 --> 02:09:03,480
400 to 800 people on this bigot list

2666
02:09:09,169 --> 02:09:06,480
that's right it wasn't a small list and

2667
02:09:11,629 --> 02:09:09,179
the Admiral wasn't included he says uh

2668
02:09:14,709 --> 02:09:11,639
this is what the Admiral uh says this is

2669
02:09:16,729 --> 02:09:14,719
a lifted directly from the notes he says

2670
02:09:19,550 --> 02:09:16,739
uh said they were trying to understand

2671
02:09:21,770 --> 02:09:19,560
and exploit uh technology their program

2672
02:09:24,649 --> 02:09:21,780
was going on for years and years with

2673
02:09:27,890 --> 02:09:24,659
very slow progress agonizingly slow

2674
02:09:29,450 --> 02:09:27,900
progress with no success painful lack of

2675
02:09:31,070 --> 02:09:29,460
collaboration to get help from outside

2676
02:09:34,250 --> 02:09:31,080
of the community of experts and

2677
02:09:38,470 --> 02:09:34,260
Facilities to assist the effort must

2678
02:09:43,310 --> 02:09:38,480
remain isolated and use own facilities

2679
02:09:48,470 --> 02:09:43,320
and cleared Personnel tough environment

2680
02:09:51,470 --> 02:09:48,480
to work with about 400 to 800 people on

2681
02:09:53,930 --> 02:09:51,480
the bigot list count workers varying in

2682
02:09:55,790 --> 02:09:53,940
number with funding or Personnel changes

2683
02:09:58,430 --> 02:09:55,800
and then

2684
02:10:00,290 --> 02:09:58,440
um uh he says he asked about Roswell and

2685
02:10:02,209 --> 02:10:00,300
the craft you ask about Holloman Air

2686
02:10:06,290 --> 02:10:02,219
Force Base and that Landing in New

2687
02:10:09,830 --> 02:10:06,300
Mexico the mj-12 and leaked document uh

2688
02:10:12,169 --> 02:10:09,840
Jesse Zamora asked about the Socorro

2689
02:10:13,430 --> 02:10:12,179
case and bent Waters Rendell shim has

2690
02:10:16,550 --> 02:10:13,440
brought up

2691
02:10:19,970 --> 02:10:16,560
um in in this at lock keyed right and

2692
02:10:22,430 --> 02:10:19,980
and to these questions uh Thomas Wilson

2693
02:10:25,729 --> 02:10:22,440
says they didn't say anything they

2694
02:10:29,510 --> 02:10:25,739
declined to discuss them he threatened

2695
02:10:31,970 --> 02:10:29,520
to go back to sapoc to complain and gain

2696
02:10:34,129 --> 02:10:31,980
access to their program to which

2697
02:10:38,750 --> 02:10:34,139
Lockheed responded

2698
02:10:42,890 --> 02:10:38,760
literally go ahead do what you must

2699
02:10:44,870 --> 02:10:42,900
those are Thomas Wilson's words that

2700
02:10:48,350 --> 02:10:44,880
Lockheed said to him go ahead man we

2701
02:10:51,169 --> 02:10:48,360
don't give a crap right and uh and that

2702
02:10:53,209 --> 02:10:51,179
is what you're calling somebody's Bluff

2703
02:10:55,609 --> 02:10:53,219
right you're playing the serious hand of

2704
02:10:58,070 --> 02:10:55,619
Poker there right where you're like I'm

2705
02:11:00,709 --> 02:10:58,080
gonna go and tell well you go ahead I

2706
02:11:02,149 --> 02:11:00,719
don't care you know you're playing you

2707
02:11:05,270 --> 02:11:02,159
know you're bluffing you're holding your

2708
02:11:09,470 --> 02:11:05,280
cards well Wilson says I was angry

2709
02:11:12,649 --> 02:11:09,480
because they defied my authority to be

2710
02:11:14,750 --> 02:11:12,659
read in with good logical reason they

2711
02:11:19,129 --> 02:11:14,760
wouldn't budge

2712
02:11:21,950 --> 02:11:19,139
their tone was very testy he says it was

2713
02:11:23,990 --> 02:11:21,960
terse throughout the conversation they

2714
02:11:26,089 --> 02:11:24,000
were cocky they were like man we don't

2715
02:11:29,209 --> 02:11:26,099
care about what you were saying we know

2716
02:11:31,850 --> 02:11:29,219
you're J2 it doesn't matter

2717
02:11:33,410 --> 02:11:31,860
so uh Eric Davis says what was the

2718
02:11:35,629 --> 02:11:33,420
outcome

2719
02:11:38,209 --> 02:11:35,639
Thomas Wilson says the meeting broke up

2720
02:11:41,450 --> 02:11:38,219
and I flew back to Washington

2721
02:11:45,589 --> 02:11:41,460
and uh it says uh did you complain to

2722
02:11:48,470 --> 02:11:45,599
sapoc yes I call the subgroup members

2723
02:11:51,470 --> 02:11:48,480
the senior review group members to a

2724
02:11:54,169 --> 02:11:51,480
meeting at the Pentagon and I told them

2725
02:11:57,470 --> 02:11:54,179
uh what happened at the meeting they

2726
02:11:59,810 --> 02:11:57,480
responded with get this uh that they

2727
02:12:02,390 --> 02:11:59,820
would sustain the contractor on their

2728
02:12:04,129 --> 02:12:02,400
access denial so I ended up arguing with

2729
02:12:06,229 --> 02:12:04,139
them for a while broke up in 20 minutes

2730
02:12:08,149 --> 02:12:06,239
and they would meet me in two to three

2731
02:12:10,669 --> 02:12:08,159
days got a call two days later met again

2732
02:12:12,290 --> 02:12:10,679
with the senior review members they told

2733
02:12:15,350 --> 02:12:12,300
me that they were sustaining the

2734
02:12:18,109 --> 02:12:15,360
contractor contractors right right and I

2735
02:12:21,229 --> 02:12:18,119
was to immediately drop the matter and

2736
02:12:23,450 --> 02:12:21,239
Let It Go forget about it as I did not

2737
02:12:26,689 --> 02:12:23,460
have purview over their project it

2738
02:12:30,350 --> 02:12:26,699
didn't fall within my oversight I became

2739
02:12:34,250 --> 02:12:30,360
very angry started yelling when I should

2740
02:12:37,729 --> 02:12:34,260
have kept my mouth shut now

2741
02:12:41,209 --> 02:12:37,739
um as a judge we always hear objection

2742
02:12:44,270 --> 02:12:41,219
sustain remained right when when you

2743
02:12:47,629 --> 02:12:44,280
hear that you don't win you lose right

2744
02:12:49,669 --> 02:12:47,639
what what does that mean they sustained

2745
02:12:53,510 --> 02:12:49,679
the contractor

2746
02:12:56,510 --> 02:12:53,520
yeah it was just a a remarkable

2747
02:12:59,629 --> 02:12:56,520
uh Revelation to me when I read that the

2748
02:13:02,770 --> 02:12:59,639
first time I'm just going okay there is

2749
02:13:05,450 --> 02:13:02,780
no government oversight of this program

2750
02:13:07,910 --> 02:13:05,460
no military oversight

2751
02:13:08,750 --> 02:13:07,920
no congressional oversight of this

2752
02:13:11,569 --> 02:13:08,760
program

2753
02:13:14,209 --> 02:13:11,579
so who the heck is in charge of this

2754
02:13:16,250 --> 02:13:14,219
program like for instance who's who is

2755
02:13:17,990 --> 02:13:16,260
actually uh

2756
02:13:20,450 --> 02:13:18,000
pulling the strings

2757
02:13:23,689 --> 02:13:20,460
making the decisions on a day-to-day

2758
02:13:27,350 --> 02:13:23,699
basis for this uh unacknowledged special

2759
02:13:30,109 --> 02:13:27,360
Access program and indeed if this one is

2760
02:13:32,750 --> 02:13:30,119
having that issue there's got to be

2761
02:13:35,930 --> 02:13:32,760
others doing the same thing all all of

2762
02:13:37,850 --> 02:13:35,940
them and so uh to your point and you

2763
02:13:40,910 --> 02:13:37,860
didn't answer my question though what

2764
02:13:44,089 --> 02:13:40,920
does sustain mean but we'll Circle back

2765
02:13:48,649 --> 02:13:44,099
to that judge okay

2766
02:13:52,490 --> 02:13:48,659
um which is this the defense argues here

2767
02:13:54,169 --> 02:13:52,500
um that uh Thomas Wilson

2768
02:13:58,310 --> 02:13:54,179
feels that

2769
02:14:00,709 --> 02:13:58,320
and I agree with him that because he

2770
02:14:03,229 --> 02:14:00,719
does have the oversight because he is

2771
02:14:05,629 --> 02:14:03,239
signing off on budgets he's controlling

2772
02:14:08,990 --> 02:14:05,639
the money he also was entitled to

2773
02:14:12,290 --> 02:14:09,000
answers I would say that the defense's

2774
02:14:15,229 --> 02:14:12,300
case here holds water

2775
02:14:17,810 --> 02:14:15,239
yeah uh definitely uh matter of fact

2776
02:14:20,990 --> 02:14:17,820
that's what shocked me too I've got a

2777
02:14:23,689 --> 02:14:21,000
title or a chapter in my book called etu

2778
02:14:25,189 --> 02:14:23,699
Brute where literally Admiral gets

2779
02:14:27,530 --> 02:14:25,199
stabbed in the back by his own friends

2780
02:14:31,609 --> 02:14:27,540
and colleagues at the Pentagon

2781
02:14:33,830 --> 02:14:31,619
he had no idea that uh this would be the

2782
02:14:36,470 --> 02:14:33,840
case obviously he was pretty confident

2783
02:14:37,790 --> 02:14:36,480
that when he went back to Washington DC

2784
02:14:39,649 --> 02:14:37,800
and talked with his buddies in the

2785
02:14:41,870 --> 02:14:39,659
Pentagon that they're gonna climb all

2786
02:14:44,750 --> 02:14:41,880
over this independent contractor and get

2787
02:14:47,089 --> 02:14:44,760
him the information he is requesting

2788
02:14:50,330 --> 02:14:47,099
and literally he is shocked out of his

2789
02:14:52,970 --> 02:14:50,340
boots uh when he finally realizes that

2790
02:14:56,450 --> 02:14:52,980
even his friends at the Pentagon

2791
02:14:59,089 --> 02:14:56,460
are sustaining the argument agreeing

2792
02:15:01,609 --> 02:14:59,099
with the argument of the subcontractor

2793
02:15:05,390 --> 02:15:01,619
that they can't give any information out

2794
02:15:08,149 --> 02:15:05,400
so in this case Admiral Wilson is

2795
02:15:13,209 --> 02:15:08,159
standing up and saying objection

2796
02:15:16,250 --> 02:15:13,219
right you got it and the judge says

2797
02:15:18,589 --> 02:15:16,260
well objectively sustained right right

2798
02:15:20,750 --> 02:15:18,599
no no it's the other way around the the

2799
02:15:22,970 --> 02:15:20,760
other contractor is saying objection

2800
02:15:25,790 --> 02:15:22,980
we're not going to tell you and the

2801
02:15:29,030 --> 02:15:25,800
juices sustained right right right right

2802
02:15:30,250 --> 02:15:29,040
okay your objection your objective is

2803
02:15:33,890 --> 02:15:30,260
correct

2804
02:15:36,470 --> 02:15:33,900
I have a tiny brain yes but but that's

2805
02:15:38,390 --> 02:15:36,480
my point though right when when they

2806
02:15:39,410 --> 02:15:38,400
come back and say we are sustaining the

2807
02:15:41,149 --> 02:15:39,420
contractor

2808
02:15:43,970 --> 02:15:41,159
yeah they're agreeing with the

2809
02:15:47,089 --> 02:15:43,980
contractor uh and agreeing with their

2810
02:15:48,250 --> 02:15:47,099
objection to give any information

2811
02:15:51,890 --> 02:15:48,260
and and

2812
02:15:55,310 --> 02:15:51,900
as as as J2 I don't want to be legal the

2813
02:15:59,750 --> 02:15:55,320
point I I think this is very important

2814
02:16:03,169 --> 02:15:59,760
um uh rear Admiral J2 uh Thomas Wilson

2815
02:16:06,350 --> 02:16:03,179
is not used to this kind of abuse

2816
02:16:09,169 --> 02:16:06,360
it's the other way around he is the

2817
02:16:12,229 --> 02:16:09,179
power guy he's on the Joint Chiefs he's

2818
02:16:13,490 --> 02:16:12,239
the shot caller and he he had gotten all

2819
02:16:15,470 --> 02:16:13,500
the um

2820
02:16:18,050 --> 02:16:15,480
um advancements that he was recording

2821
02:16:20,629 --> 02:16:18,060
you know wanting during his career

2822
02:16:24,410 --> 02:16:20,639
um this was kind of like uh the PS de

2823
02:16:26,330 --> 02:16:24,420
resistance of his you know uh research

2824
02:16:28,669 --> 02:16:26,340
that he was wanting to do at in the

2825
02:16:30,589 --> 02:16:28,679
Twilight of his career he kind of wanted

2826
02:16:32,929 --> 02:16:30,599
to go out with some information I think

2827
02:16:35,089 --> 02:16:32,939
you know and maybe he wasn't going to

2828
02:16:37,070 --> 02:16:35,099
whistleblow it but he wanted to really

2829
02:16:38,870 --> 02:16:37,080
know what's going on before he got too

2830
02:16:39,950 --> 02:16:38,880
far out of the loop you know in this

2831
02:16:43,490 --> 02:16:39,960
regard

2832
02:16:46,009 --> 02:16:43,500
and uh it was a real shock to him to

2833
02:16:49,190 --> 02:16:46,019
find out after all these years that uh

2834
02:16:52,669 --> 02:16:49,200
his closest colleagues are not backing

2835
02:16:56,389 --> 02:16:52,679
him up in this regard now uh let's uh

2836
02:16:59,150 --> 02:16:56,399
let's talk about specifics here if uh

2837
02:17:00,790 --> 02:16:59,160
the J2 on The Joint Chiefs and in this

2838
02:17:04,870 --> 02:17:00,800
case Admiral Wilson

2839
02:17:09,049 --> 02:17:04,880
cannot get read in to an sap program

2840
02:17:11,530 --> 02:17:09,059
then that would we would assume that

2841
02:17:15,049 --> 02:17:11,540
would apply to the president too as well

2842
02:17:18,709 --> 02:17:15,059
which is shocking but if we go back and

2843
02:17:22,849 --> 02:17:18,719
we reference the oak Shannon notes it

2844
02:17:25,610 --> 02:17:22,859
actually specifically points that out it

2845
02:17:27,770 --> 02:17:25,620
says who who are the need to know the

2846
02:17:30,110 --> 02:17:27,780
need to know list and blah blah blah

2847
02:17:33,110 --> 02:17:30,120
blah not the President says right there

2848
02:17:35,089 --> 02:17:33,120
in the notes does this confirm this

2849
02:17:37,429 --> 02:17:35,099
conversation and what happened to

2850
02:17:40,549 --> 02:17:37,439
Admiral Wilson as being the case

2851
02:17:43,009 --> 02:17:40,559
well it sure could uh and it's scary to

2852
02:17:45,709 --> 02:17:43,019
think that that is the case you know I

2853
02:17:46,750 --> 02:17:45,719
mean uh on that bigot list uh Admiral

2854
02:17:50,870 --> 02:17:46,760
Wilson

2855
02:17:53,690 --> 02:17:50,880
recognized a few SES employees at the

2856
02:17:56,509 --> 02:17:53,700
pencils yes those are like uh civilian

2857
02:17:58,849 --> 02:17:56,519
employees at the Pentagon who were kind

2858
02:18:00,169 --> 02:17:58,859
of uh running administrative stuff you

2859
02:18:03,530 --> 02:18:00,179
know if you're not a member of the

2860
02:18:07,190 --> 02:18:03,540
military right exactly and so here we

2861
02:18:09,650 --> 02:18:07,200
are having some independent civilians on

2862
02:18:11,330 --> 02:18:09,660
the bigot list and not the Admiral in

2863
02:18:13,790 --> 02:18:11,340
the military or anybody in the white

2864
02:18:16,610 --> 02:18:13,800
house or congress even you would think

2865
02:18:19,310 --> 02:18:16,620
since even Eric Davis you know briefed

2866
02:18:20,929 --> 02:18:19,320
the house select intelligence committee

2867
02:18:23,209 --> 02:18:20,939
that there might even be one of those

2868
02:18:25,250 --> 02:18:23,219
guys on the or a few of those people on

2869
02:18:26,889 --> 02:18:25,260
the bigot list and they weren't there

2870
02:18:29,770 --> 02:18:26,899
either

2871
02:18:33,950 --> 02:18:29,780
the um uh

2872
02:18:37,429 --> 02:18:33,960
the lack of going back to the bigot list

2873
02:18:39,950 --> 02:18:37,439
um I believe uh and referencing back to

2874
02:18:42,290 --> 02:18:39,960
also the oak Shannon's notes

2875
02:18:44,389 --> 02:18:42,300
um that those were the comments right

2876
02:18:46,190 --> 02:18:44,399
there were no politicians here there

2877
02:18:48,230 --> 02:18:46,200
were no members of the militant there

2878
02:18:52,870 --> 02:18:48,240
were very few I think he says he

2879
02:18:56,209 --> 02:18:52,880
recognized a name or two but uh but

2880
02:18:58,849 --> 02:18:56,219
nobody from the government right no not

2881
02:19:01,549 --> 02:18:58,859
at all no one uh from the administration

2882
02:19:05,629 --> 02:19:01,559
of the president's uh connection there

2883
02:19:08,750 --> 02:19:05,639
or or Congressional names at all

2884
02:19:10,549 --> 02:19:08,760
um so I mean you could when the

2885
02:19:12,469 --> 02:19:10,559
Congressional hearings were first came

2886
02:19:14,690 --> 02:19:12,479
out with the UAP task force a couple

2887
02:19:17,330 --> 02:19:14,700
months ago and they had to short hearing

2888
02:19:19,610 --> 02:19:17,340
you know then you could tell that the

2889
02:19:21,950 --> 02:19:19,620
Congress was totally out of the loop on

2890
02:19:23,450 --> 02:19:21,960
knowing what was going on because most

2891
02:19:26,810 --> 02:19:23,460
of those guys had no clue what the

2892
02:19:30,169 --> 02:19:26,820
Admiral Wilson memo was let alone

2893
02:19:32,030 --> 02:19:30,179
the fact that we had engaged UFOs in the

2894
02:19:34,250 --> 02:19:32,040
past through the military they were they

2895
02:19:36,770 --> 02:19:34,260
were pretty much dumbfounded some of

2896
02:19:39,709 --> 02:19:36,780
these congressmen to find out this stuff

2897
02:19:41,690 --> 02:19:39,719
had been going on for decades so you can

2898
02:19:44,209 --> 02:19:41,700
you can see where there's a whole lot of

2899
02:19:46,250 --> 02:19:44,219
folks out there supposedly in the know

2900
02:19:48,589 --> 02:19:46,260
that are doing some major decision

2901
02:19:50,750 --> 02:19:48,599
making for our country and they don't

2902
02:19:55,849 --> 02:19:50,760
have a clue what's really going on

2903
02:19:59,630 --> 02:19:55,859
is it now is it as simple as

2904
02:20:03,830 --> 02:19:59,640
um once an sap program

2905
02:20:06,349 --> 02:20:03,840
is budgeted right and it's funded it's

2906
02:20:07,550 --> 02:20:06,359
the word I'm looking for once it is

2907
02:20:10,730 --> 02:20:07,560
funded

2908
02:20:13,849 --> 02:20:10,740
the oversight ends at that point you

2909
02:20:16,250 --> 02:20:13,859
don't know how the money is spent right

2910
02:20:19,370 --> 02:20:16,260
and because it goes into the private

2911
02:20:20,570 --> 02:20:19,380
sector with a corporation now you don't

2912
02:20:27,110 --> 02:20:20,580
have

2913
02:20:29,150 --> 02:20:27,120
to documents there's no way for uh any

2914
02:20:32,570 --> 02:20:29,160
private citizens to do a Freedom of

2915
02:20:35,150 --> 02:20:32,580
Information Act request because it you

2916
02:20:37,610 --> 02:20:35,160
can't do that for a private Corporation

2917
02:20:39,469 --> 02:20:37,620
am I understanding this correctly you

2918
02:20:42,170 --> 02:20:39,479
got it that's exactly why they pick

2919
02:20:44,389 --> 02:20:42,180
these independent private contractors to

2920
02:20:45,650 --> 02:20:44,399
do their their work because they're not

2921
02:20:47,330 --> 02:20:45,660
foilable

2922
02:20:49,250 --> 02:20:47,340
you know it's not like the government

2923
02:20:51,590 --> 02:20:49,260
has to give out the information you know

2924
02:20:54,170 --> 02:20:51,600
on a records request or anything like

2925
02:20:57,590 --> 02:20:54,180
that so indeed they're they're building

2926
02:20:59,330 --> 02:20:57,600
in the uh the uh factor that they're

2927
02:21:02,510 --> 02:20:59,340
going to keep all this stuff quiet for

2928
02:21:04,910 --> 02:21:02,520
as long as they possibly can and uh it's

2929
02:21:06,170 --> 02:21:04,920
amazing I mean it opened up my eyes so

2930
02:21:07,730 --> 02:21:06,180
amazing I mean that was one of the

2931
02:21:10,309 --> 02:21:07,740
things that Grant Cameron and I were

2932
02:21:12,770 --> 02:21:10,319
mulling over for six months when we had

2933
02:21:14,870 --> 02:21:12,780
the document no one else had it is that

2934
02:21:17,830 --> 02:21:14,880
my gosh this stuff is going on all the

2935
02:21:22,130 --> 02:21:17,840
time I'll bet and no one knows about it

2936
02:21:25,550 --> 02:21:22,140
and uh and how do we

2937
02:21:28,790 --> 02:21:25,560
um is it something that we need to

2938
02:21:33,530 --> 02:21:28,800
attempt to reel back in as as citizens

2939
02:21:36,050 --> 02:21:33,540
of of the United States or is this the

2940
02:21:39,830 --> 02:21:36,060
way it should be now I know we're

2941
02:21:42,349 --> 02:21:39,840
talking about E.T here but the system is

2942
02:21:45,170 --> 02:21:42,359
set up in order to

2943
02:21:48,469 --> 02:21:45,180
keep things some things need to be kept

2944
02:21:51,530 --> 02:21:48,479
secret right you know so do we open up

2945
02:21:54,770 --> 02:21:51,540
this can do we really want this or

2946
02:21:56,150 --> 02:21:54,780
should some things just be left alone

2947
02:21:58,849 --> 02:21:56,160
well

2948
02:22:00,770 --> 02:21:58,859
um I think in reality it's out of their

2949
02:22:03,530 --> 02:22:00,780
hands that decision is out of their

2950
02:22:08,090 --> 02:22:03,540
hands at this point uh literally with

2951
02:22:09,530 --> 02:22:08,100
all the uptick in in citing reports

2952
02:22:12,410 --> 02:22:09,540
um you know people all over the world I

2953
02:22:14,450 --> 02:22:12,420
mean you know James Fox's movie you know

2954
02:22:16,670 --> 02:22:14,460
about Virginia all this stuff is

2955
02:22:19,250 --> 02:22:16,680
happening so quickly nowadays and it's

2956
02:22:21,950 --> 02:22:19,260
not being covered up like the the

2957
02:22:24,610 --> 02:22:21,960
Roswell thing was this is still coming

2958
02:22:27,110 --> 02:22:24,620
out you know all these contacts with

2959
02:22:30,469 --> 02:22:27,120
extraterrestrials are happening that

2960
02:22:32,870 --> 02:22:30,479
literally I think um if we don't if the

2961
02:22:34,370 --> 02:22:32,880
government doesn't do it I think the ETS

2962
02:22:37,250 --> 02:22:34,380
might

2963
02:22:39,469 --> 02:22:37,260
somebody just said this is Susie and I

2964
02:22:42,469 --> 02:22:39,479
this is a really good point

2965
02:22:44,809 --> 02:22:42,479
Jimmy no matter what we can't affect any

2966
02:22:47,210 --> 02:22:44,819
change at that level

2967
02:22:48,710 --> 02:22:47,220
right and this is what Admiral Wilson

2968
02:22:52,429 --> 02:22:48,720
tried to do

2969
02:22:54,110 --> 02:22:52,439
yeah it was not if he can't right do you

2970
02:22:58,070 --> 02:22:54,120
understand what I'm saying

2971
02:22:59,750 --> 02:22:58,080
um is it possible for uh the citizens to

2972
02:23:03,110 --> 02:22:59,760
get together and go okay enough is

2973
02:23:06,650 --> 02:23:03,120
enough uh these special access programs

2974
02:23:10,190 --> 02:23:06,660
we need to have this stuff visible I

2975
02:23:13,550 --> 02:23:10,200
mean is it possible or is it no yeah I

2976
02:23:17,690 --> 02:23:13,560
think it's possible and I I one of my uh

2977
02:23:20,090 --> 02:23:17,700
major predictions is at one point uh

2978
02:23:23,450 --> 02:23:20,100
there is going to be a massive blowback

2979
02:23:26,929 --> 02:23:23,460
from the general public about this whole

2980
02:23:32,330 --> 02:23:26,939
subject matter and the fact is that uh

2981
02:23:35,050 --> 02:23:32,340
we have been having uh you know uh clean

2982
02:23:37,550 --> 02:23:35,060
power withheld from us medical

2983
02:23:39,710 --> 02:23:37,560
Miracles withheld from us you know a

2984
02:23:41,150 --> 02:23:39,720
little aunt Edna didn't have to die at

2985
02:23:44,389 --> 02:23:41,160
cancer probably and those kinds of

2986
02:23:46,309 --> 02:23:44,399
things so so many of those things are

2987
02:23:47,690 --> 02:23:46,319
starting to happen now so quickly that

2988
02:23:49,910 --> 02:23:47,700
at one point

2989
02:23:51,710 --> 02:23:49,920
I think the blowback that's going to

2990
02:23:55,070 --> 02:23:51,720
happen is going to make the Nuremberg

2991
02:23:57,349 --> 02:23:55,080
trials look like Disneyland I mean my

2992
02:23:59,690 --> 02:23:57,359
gosh unless everybody's going to be

2993
02:24:01,730 --> 02:23:59,700
given uh you know a free ride that's

2994
02:24:04,670 --> 02:24:01,740
been doing nefarious things all these

2995
02:24:06,170 --> 02:24:04,680
decades or people are going to be in a

2996
02:24:07,610 --> 02:24:06,180
lot of trouble

2997
02:24:09,469 --> 02:24:07,620
there is

2998
02:24:11,210 --> 02:24:09,479
um when people ask me about well Jimmy

2999
02:24:14,990 --> 02:24:11,220
give me an example what do you think

3000
02:24:19,190 --> 02:24:15,000
well you know what I feel a little bit

3001
02:24:21,170 --> 02:24:19,200
funky about two things one the F-117

3002
02:24:24,230 --> 02:24:21,180
Stealth fighter feel a little weird

3003
02:24:25,790 --> 02:24:24,240
about that that design which seemed to

3004
02:24:29,090 --> 02:24:25,800
have come out of nowhere it could be

3005
02:24:32,510 --> 02:24:29,100
just ingenious you know engineering and

3006
02:24:33,650 --> 02:24:32,520
and and and human you know uh work okay

3007
02:24:35,750 --> 02:24:33,660
I get that

3008
02:24:40,670 --> 02:24:35,760
but the B2

3009
02:24:43,429 --> 02:24:40,680
you look at the B2 and it shouldn't fly

3010
02:24:46,010 --> 02:24:43,439
but but here's the thing

3011
02:24:50,929 --> 02:24:46,020
it has

3012
02:24:53,630 --> 02:24:50,939
saying all of this completely wrong from

3013
02:24:56,090 --> 02:24:53,640
an engineering or physics standpoint but

3014
02:24:58,550 --> 02:24:56,100
it creates lift

3015
02:25:01,130 --> 02:24:58,560
uh additional lift

3016
02:25:05,230 --> 02:25:01,140
from its skin

3017
02:25:09,889 --> 02:25:05,240
not from the wind

3018
02:25:12,349 --> 02:25:09,899
now that is a crazy step forward in

3019
02:25:14,929 --> 02:25:12,359
technology as far as I know nobody else

3020
02:25:18,469 --> 02:25:14,939
in the in the world is doing it and it

3021
02:25:20,389 --> 02:25:18,479
makes you wonder that maybe we got some

3022
02:25:22,610 --> 02:25:20,399
help from

3023
02:25:25,190 --> 02:25:22,620
from up there

3024
02:25:28,070 --> 02:25:25,200
oh that's that's exactly my opinion as

3025
02:25:30,770 --> 02:25:28,080
well I mean my gosh if something crashed

3026
02:25:33,950 --> 02:25:30,780
in 1947 and we literally have been

3027
02:25:36,889 --> 02:25:33,960
trying to reverse engineer it since then

3028
02:25:39,590 --> 02:25:36,899
um there's a military guy by the name of

3029
02:25:41,650 --> 02:25:39,600
Charles Hall as well who was in the Air

3030
02:25:44,870 --> 02:25:41,660
Force and claimed that he had

3031
02:25:46,670 --> 02:25:44,880
relationships or talking to these tall

3032
02:25:49,730 --> 02:25:46,680
whites out in the desert when he was

3033
02:25:52,790 --> 02:25:49,740
working as a weather operator for the

3034
02:25:55,030 --> 02:25:52,800
military and indeed he thinks and a lot

3035
02:25:58,250 --> 02:25:55,040
of people have said this that we're

3036
02:26:01,250 --> 02:25:58,260
corroborating collaborating sorry the uh

3037
02:26:04,429 --> 02:26:01,260
with the ETS already I mean the whole

3038
02:26:06,950 --> 02:26:04,439
super Space Program secret space program

3039
02:26:09,290 --> 02:26:06,960
is supposedly real uh they're probably

3040
02:26:11,690 --> 02:26:09,300
doing things that we have no clue that

3041
02:26:13,969 --> 02:26:11,700
they're doing and these things like the

3042
02:26:15,349 --> 02:26:13,979
stealth fighter and the the B2 bomber

3043
02:26:17,510 --> 02:26:15,359
and those kind of thing you know that's

3044
02:26:18,590 --> 02:26:17,520
just normal technology that we're

3045
02:26:20,270 --> 02:26:18,600
dealing with

3046
02:26:22,250 --> 02:26:20,280
and I tell you what it's part of that

3047
02:26:24,170 --> 02:26:22,260
blowback that I was mentioning people

3048
02:26:26,929 --> 02:26:24,180
are going to be really mad when they

3049
02:26:29,389 --> 02:26:26,939
find out that uh you know people didn't

3050
02:26:31,730 --> 02:26:29,399
have to die in airplane crashes you know

3051
02:26:35,030 --> 02:26:31,740
because we've got technology long before

3052
02:26:37,190 --> 02:26:35,040
there they're Way Beyond that well see

3053
02:26:40,429 --> 02:26:37,200
that's the can of worms you know if you

3054
02:26:43,849 --> 02:26:40,439
go and and you open this up and suddenly

3055
02:26:47,090 --> 02:26:43,859
we find out that we could have had

3056
02:26:50,929 --> 02:26:47,100
energy to feed the world and farm Fields

3057
02:26:55,370 --> 02:26:50,939
right uh the transportation sector that

3058
02:26:59,570 --> 02:26:55,380
could heat our schools right that could

3059
02:27:02,929 --> 02:26:59,580
all of them you mean you've been sitting

3060
02:27:04,969 --> 02:27:02,939
on this when the the rest of the world

3061
02:27:07,010 --> 02:27:04,979
could have benefited people could have

3062
02:27:10,010 --> 02:27:07,020
been fed children could have been

3063
02:27:12,590 --> 02:27:10,020
educated Health Care could have been are

3064
02:27:15,110 --> 02:27:12,600
you saying that you sat on this for

3065
02:27:18,530 --> 02:27:15,120
military purposes that the same

3066
02:27:22,969 --> 02:27:18,540
technology you know in a B-2 bomber uh

3067
02:27:24,950 --> 02:27:22,979
it could be uh uh used in the

3068
02:27:27,710 --> 02:27:24,960
transporting of food and medical

3069
02:27:29,630 --> 02:27:27,720
supplies around the world are is that

3070
02:27:34,010 --> 02:27:29,640
what you're saying that's the problem

3071
02:27:37,849 --> 02:27:34,020
Michael that that people wouldn't be

3072
02:27:39,530 --> 02:27:37,859
upset about E.T ah I think we've

3073
02:27:43,130 --> 02:27:39,540
accepted the fact that there's life in

3074
02:27:45,410 --> 02:27:43,140
the universe if if if this technology

3075
02:27:49,670 --> 02:27:45,420
was used for the military instead of the

3076
02:27:52,670 --> 02:27:49,680
greater good my children right your

3077
02:27:55,130 --> 02:27:52,680
children yeah the the children of Africa

3078
02:27:57,590 --> 02:27:55,140
think about that that would be the

3079
02:27:59,570 --> 02:27:57,600
outrage exactly

3080
02:28:03,110 --> 02:27:59,580
exactly and that's what I am

3081
02:28:05,389 --> 02:28:03,120
anticipating they are worried about of

3082
02:28:09,050 --> 02:28:05,399
course and so they need to figure out

3083
02:28:10,969 --> 02:28:09,060
how to distract us but in reality yeah

3084
02:28:13,490 --> 02:28:10,979
put a spin on it yeah yeah they're gonna

3085
02:28:16,309 --> 02:28:13,500
have to figure something out for sure uh

3086
02:28:18,469 --> 02:28:16,319
literally the um the repercussions of

3087
02:28:21,889 --> 02:28:18,479
the public in general knowing what's

3088
02:28:24,830 --> 02:28:21,899
really going on could be catastrophic

3089
02:28:26,750 --> 02:28:24,840
let's um uh if you can Michael I'm going

3090
02:28:28,370 --> 02:28:26,760
to get you to hang on uh for overtime

3091
02:28:31,250 --> 02:28:28,380
because I want to talk about a tear in

3092
02:28:34,790 --> 02:28:31,260
the sky and uh there were a couple of

3093
02:28:37,370 --> 02:28:34,800
moments in the film now I'm going to uh

3094
02:28:40,190 --> 02:28:37,380
say this in advance

3095
02:28:45,230 --> 02:28:40,200
um as the film was getting put together

3096
02:28:48,410 --> 02:28:45,240
uh I uh Caroline had shown me uh before

3097
02:28:54,590 --> 02:28:48,420
the release of the film uh some stuff

3098
02:28:58,490 --> 02:28:54,600
and I I I remember specifically uh uh

3099
02:29:00,950 --> 02:28:58,500
this was privately with her going this

3100
02:29:03,290 --> 02:29:00,960
this is a big deal

3101
02:29:05,690 --> 02:29:03,300
and and I I know that she understood

3102
02:29:07,370 --> 02:29:05,700
that but when I was trying to drive home

3103
02:29:09,349 --> 02:29:07,380
to her

3104
02:29:13,190 --> 02:29:09,359
is that I think it's a bigger deal than

3105
02:29:15,530 --> 02:29:13,200
even you realize uh this isn't a very

3106
02:29:17,990 --> 02:29:15,540
important moment not only to capture on

3107
02:29:20,450 --> 02:29:18,000
film but to have the scientific data to

3108
02:29:23,450 --> 02:29:20,460
back that up so that was my conversation

3109
02:29:25,730 --> 02:29:23,460
with her the film is now out uh you're

3110
02:29:28,210 --> 02:29:25,740
in the film when we come back after the

3111
02:29:31,190 --> 02:29:28,220
break I want to talk specifically about

3112
02:29:33,550 --> 02:29:31,200
uh what was revealed in the film and and

3113
02:29:35,570 --> 02:29:33,560
how important it could be and it's also

3114
02:29:37,969 --> 02:29:35,580
confirming a lot of what we're already

3115
02:29:39,950 --> 02:29:37,979
talking about tonight on the show so

3116
02:29:44,030 --> 02:29:39,960
stay right there when we come back

3117
02:29:47,630 --> 02:29:44,040
Michael W Hall not Michael C Michael W

3118
02:29:50,570 --> 02:29:47,640
is going to do overtime with us and yeah

3119
02:29:53,030 --> 02:29:50,580
a tear in the sky very very important

3120
02:29:55,010 --> 02:29:53,040
film we're going to talk about that and

3121
02:29:57,530 --> 02:29:55,020
that that little moment

3122
02:29:59,270 --> 02:29:57,540
that was huge this is faded black I'm

3123
02:30:00,500 --> 02:29:59,280
your church stay with us we'll be right

3124
02:30:15,460 --> 02:30:00,510
back after this short break

3125
02:30:16,750 --> 02:30:15,470
[Music]

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02:30:20,690 --> 02:30:16,760
[Applause]

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3194
02:34:07,520 --> 02:34:12,889
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3195
02:34:19,490 --> 02:34:15,710
I'm just gonna let everybody know

3196
02:34:23,690 --> 02:34:19,500
I am uh I'm texting back and forth with

3197
02:34:27,050 --> 02:34:23,700
uh Jordan's uh the guitar player and uh

3198
02:34:30,950 --> 02:34:27,060
he's texting me pictures of uh his

3199
02:34:33,530 --> 02:34:30,960
shrimp scampi uh that he's uh making

3200
02:34:35,270 --> 02:34:33,540
tonight and he says thanks for the

3201
02:34:37,429 --> 02:34:35,280
lesson because I you know we cook

3202
02:34:39,410 --> 02:34:37,439
together and anyway going back and forth

3203
02:34:42,230 --> 02:34:39,420
and now we're talking guitars he's

3204
02:34:45,410 --> 02:34:42,240
showing me the the wine he's and I said

3205
02:34:47,330 --> 02:34:45,420
well dude now I've got to uh make shrimp

3206
02:34:49,910 --> 02:34:47,340
scampi tonight after the show wasn't my

3207
02:34:53,570 --> 02:34:49,920
plan but then uh of course I'm sending

3208
02:34:55,490 --> 02:34:53,580
him uh guitar picks too as well and uh

3209
02:34:59,690 --> 02:34:55,500
there you go

3210
02:35:03,170 --> 02:34:59,700
um hold on that's because I took it off

3211
02:35:06,650 --> 02:35:03,180
period it's what I do period

3212
02:35:08,929 --> 02:35:06,660
so that's it I'm texting for shorts and

3213
02:35:11,690 --> 02:35:08,939
our guest tonight Michael W Hall Michael

3214
02:35:12,590 --> 02:35:11,700
you have no idea who Jordan ziff is do

3215
02:35:15,230 --> 02:35:12,600
you

3216
02:35:18,170 --> 02:35:15,240
no but the shrimp scampi is making me

3217
02:35:21,050 --> 02:35:18,180
really hungry I that sounds so good I

3218
02:35:24,530 --> 02:35:21,060
have I have uh in the freezer I bought

3219
02:35:28,070 --> 02:35:24,540
it uh over the weekend it's for but now

3220
02:35:31,730 --> 02:35:28,080
I bought some uh red our Argentine

3221
02:35:34,610 --> 02:35:31,740
shrimp fresh right big gnarly and I'm

3222
02:35:36,290 --> 02:35:34,620
like that's it okay so I've got

3223
02:35:37,190 --> 02:35:36,300
everything else I just need some white

3224
02:35:39,349 --> 02:35:37,200
wine

3225
02:35:40,730 --> 02:35:39,359
so that's it I gotta Dash up to the

3226
02:35:42,950 --> 02:35:40,740
store get me some white wine I'm gonna

3227
02:35:43,929 --> 02:35:42,960
come back make me some shrimp scampi

3228
02:35:48,230 --> 02:35:43,939
tonight

3229
02:35:52,730 --> 02:35:48,240
I I I I I do it so well I can I can do a

3230
02:35:56,809 --> 02:35:52,740
scampi man make Joe Pesci proud okay

3231
02:36:00,230 --> 02:35:56,819
um uh let's talk about uh that moment a

3232
02:36:01,610 --> 02:36:00,240
tear in the sky uh Caroline Corey's uh

3233
02:36:03,889 --> 02:36:01,620
film

3234
02:36:06,830 --> 02:36:03,899
um was extraordinary on on so many

3235
02:36:10,910 --> 02:36:06,840
levels but uh when you least expect it

3236
02:36:12,950 --> 02:36:10,920
things happen which is exactly what went

3237
02:36:15,290 --> 02:36:12,960
down in this film

3238
02:36:18,050 --> 02:36:15,300
um and the data collection and the

3239
02:36:20,030 --> 02:36:18,060
sensors that were going off and then

3240
02:36:21,830 --> 02:36:20,040
being able to go back and and look at

3241
02:36:25,190 --> 02:36:21,840
the video that was captured you were out

3242
02:36:27,889 --> 02:36:25,200
on Catalina Island uh with uh uh our

3243
02:36:30,590 --> 02:36:27,899
good friend Dave Altman you know what

3244
02:36:34,429 --> 02:36:30,600
he's a complete Troublemaker Michael and

3245
02:36:36,710 --> 02:36:34,439
I hope he didn't take you down into the

3246
02:36:38,090 --> 02:36:36,720
dead of sin because he's probably

3247
02:36:40,490 --> 02:36:38,100
listening right right now I'm laughing

3248
02:36:42,290 --> 02:36:40,500
he tried for sure but we we get along

3249
02:36:43,910 --> 02:36:42,300
great he's a good buddy of mine yeah

3250
02:36:45,290 --> 02:36:43,920
he's a good dude Ben he's a good dude

3251
02:36:49,730 --> 02:36:45,300
okay so

3252
02:36:53,150 --> 02:36:49,740
um uh apparently I want your description

3253
02:36:53,889 --> 02:36:53,160
it appears to me hence the title of the

3254
02:36:58,429 --> 02:36:53,899
film

3255
02:37:00,710 --> 02:36:58,439
that uh an opening uh appeared above

3256
02:37:03,050 --> 02:37:00,720
Catalina Island in that triangle right

3257
02:37:05,210 --> 02:37:03,060
between San Diego Marina Del Rey and

3258
02:37:07,130 --> 02:37:05,220
Catalina Island where this action has

3259
02:37:09,650 --> 02:37:07,140
been going down for decades it's this

3260
02:37:15,590 --> 02:37:09,660
isn't anything new

3261
02:37:18,349 --> 02:37:15,600
um also uh the Nimitz encounter 2004

3262
02:37:20,870 --> 02:37:18,359
um was in this general area too as well

3263
02:37:22,070 --> 02:37:20,880
and a lot of things have occurred since

3264
02:37:26,389 --> 02:37:22,080
then

3265
02:37:28,610 --> 02:37:26,399
um and the sensor data also with um uh

3266
02:37:30,790 --> 02:37:28,620
the weather reports and the radar and

3267
02:37:35,510 --> 02:37:30,800
other things that were going on show

3268
02:37:38,090 --> 02:37:35,520
some type of anomaly in the sky where it

3269
02:37:40,370 --> 02:37:38,100
appears I don't know how to I don't know

3270
02:37:41,929 --> 02:37:40,380
if you want to call it a Stargate a

3271
02:37:45,889 --> 02:37:41,939
portal

3272
02:37:47,150 --> 02:37:45,899
um a tear in the sky but objects uh

3273
02:37:50,210 --> 02:37:47,160
appeared

3274
02:37:54,770 --> 02:37:50,220
from this anomaly am I phrasing this

3275
02:37:57,590 --> 02:37:54,780
correctly you got it 50 objects

3276
02:38:01,070 --> 02:37:57,600
basically the size of the Tic Tac UFOs

3277
02:38:04,730 --> 02:38:01,080
that were cited uh in that area as well

3278
02:38:07,389 --> 02:38:04,740
by chief petty officer Kevin Day and

3279
02:38:09,530 --> 02:38:07,399
Commander fraver and you know Alec

3280
02:38:11,929 --> 02:38:09,540
dietrich's you know those guys that were

3281
02:38:14,929 --> 02:38:11,939
up there piling it was those you're

3282
02:38:16,849 --> 02:38:14,939
chasing those Tic Tac UFOs literally if

3283
02:38:19,550 --> 02:38:16,859
you can when you see that movie there is

3284
02:38:21,469 --> 02:38:19,560
a spot in the film uh by the way this is

3285
02:38:24,469 --> 02:38:21,479
towards the end of the movie she saved

3286
02:38:27,830 --> 02:38:24,479
the best of the last and all of a sudden

3287
02:38:30,050 --> 02:38:27,840
this portal opens up in the night sky

3288
02:38:33,410 --> 02:38:30,060
and like you said you're correct all

3289
02:38:35,870 --> 02:38:33,420
these scientific instruments are seeing

3290
02:38:39,830 --> 02:38:35,880
and recording the same thing so it's not

3291
02:38:43,010 --> 02:38:39,840
just visual that is seeing this but it

3292
02:38:46,010 --> 02:38:43,020
was recorded on uh multiple uh different

3293
02:38:48,110 --> 02:38:46,020
sensing instruments as well and when you

3294
02:38:51,590 --> 02:38:48,120
when it opens up there are these little

3295
02:38:54,530 --> 02:38:51,600
white lights popping out of the portal

3296
02:38:57,950 --> 02:38:54,540
there is one specific light

3297
02:39:00,110 --> 02:38:57,960
that literally you can see comes on it

3298
02:39:01,929 --> 02:39:00,120
wasn't there a minute ago and a second

3299
02:39:05,030 --> 02:39:01,939
it comes on and comes out of the portal

3300
02:39:06,290 --> 02:39:05,040
that's what happened uh when we were

3301
02:39:07,969 --> 02:39:06,300
there and that was just the Highlight

3302
02:39:11,510 --> 02:39:07,979
because we had stuff that were happening

3303
02:39:12,290 --> 02:39:11,520
all uh the whole five days that we were

3304
02:39:14,809 --> 02:39:12,300
there

3305
02:39:17,929 --> 02:39:14,819
but the funny thing was is that a lot of

3306
02:39:19,610 --> 02:39:17,939
it I mean I I come from the ufoi team a

3307
02:39:21,170 --> 02:39:19,620
group that I put together we go out on

3308
02:39:23,690 --> 02:39:21,180
Expeditions all the time for night

3309
02:39:25,670 --> 02:39:23,700
watches you can go out and maybe not see

3310
02:39:28,370 --> 02:39:25,680
anything you know uh you really can't

3311
02:39:31,370 --> 02:39:28,380
plan on seeing anything and literally I

3312
02:39:33,950 --> 02:39:31,380
did a sky watch with you once yeah right

3313
02:39:35,870 --> 02:39:33,960
I remember you and I standing there okay

3314
02:39:37,550 --> 02:39:35,880
I can't remember okay it doesn't matter

3315
02:39:39,070 --> 02:39:37,560
but yes

3316
02:39:43,610 --> 02:39:39,080
um uh

3317
02:39:47,450 --> 02:39:43,620
the this this opening

3318
02:39:50,270 --> 02:39:47,460
um what does it represent to you is it

3319
02:39:53,830 --> 02:39:50,280
how they are getting here is this one

3320
02:39:56,929 --> 02:39:53,840
example of you know uh

3321
02:39:59,630 --> 02:39:56,939
it looks like it to me I mean indeed the

3322
02:40:01,730 --> 02:39:59,640
the spaces that we're dealing with as

3323
02:40:03,830 --> 02:40:01,740
far as traveling out in interstellar

3324
02:40:05,870 --> 02:40:03,840
space are just so immense

3325
02:40:08,389 --> 02:40:05,880
that literally um even if you're going

3326
02:40:10,610 --> 02:40:08,399
the speed of light you know uh it's

3327
02:40:13,429 --> 02:40:10,620
going to take years to get here or back

3328
02:40:17,110 --> 02:40:13,439
so indeed if they can take advantage of

3329
02:40:20,450 --> 02:40:17,120
the uh Einstein Rosen you know Bridge

3330
02:40:21,710 --> 02:40:20,460
thing uh that that's probably what

3331
02:40:24,349 --> 02:40:21,720
they're doing of course there have been

3332
02:40:27,110 --> 02:40:24,359
a lot of other citing reports that say

3333
02:40:29,389 --> 02:40:27,120
in the daytime there is like just an

3334
02:40:31,070 --> 02:40:29,399
object that's flying like a disc that's

3335
02:40:33,349 --> 02:40:31,080
flying along in the daytime and it just

3336
02:40:35,690 --> 02:40:33,359
disappears in a slip of the sky it just

3337
02:40:38,510 --> 02:40:35,700
disappears like it goes into an envelope

3338
02:40:41,450 --> 02:40:38,520
uh it didn't fade out it just went

3339
02:40:43,250 --> 02:40:41,460
inside something so a skin walker Ranch

3340
02:40:45,290 --> 02:40:43,260
has got the same problems that they're

3341
02:40:47,030 --> 02:40:45,300
talking about they're saying things are

3342
02:40:49,130 --> 02:40:47,040
coming out of portals you know close to

3343
02:40:50,630 --> 02:40:49,140
the ground down there

3344
02:40:53,450 --> 02:40:50,640
um I think that's what we're going to

3345
02:40:56,929 --> 02:40:53,460
find out and and Eric Davis by the way

3346
02:40:59,270 --> 02:40:56,939
Dr Eric Davis has written uh some papers

3347
02:41:01,670 --> 02:40:59,280
for the Pentagon on these kinds of

3348
02:41:03,710 --> 02:41:01,680
issues in the past as well as well as

3349
02:41:07,610 --> 02:41:03,720
those what uh

3350
02:41:09,469 --> 02:41:07,620
34 other dirt reports that came out you

3351
02:41:11,090 --> 02:41:09,479
know defense department reports that

3352
02:41:13,010 --> 02:41:11,100
they were trying to push the envelope

3353
02:41:14,570 --> 02:41:13,020
with technology and find out what was

3354
02:41:16,969 --> 02:41:14,580
going to happen 50 years from now what

3355
02:41:18,710 --> 02:41:16,979
are we going to be capable of doing

3356
02:41:20,809 --> 02:41:18,720
um Eric Davis was involved in those

3357
02:41:24,349 --> 02:41:20,819
kinds of things and mentioned the whole

3358
02:41:27,889 --> 02:41:24,359
issue of portals and wormholes as well

3359
02:41:29,750 --> 02:41:27,899
I uh I kind of poo pooed the Nerds I

3360
02:41:34,730 --> 02:41:29,760
still have them when they were first

3361
02:41:36,889 --> 02:41:34,740
released and and uh and I I was speaking

3362
02:41:38,090 --> 02:41:36,899
to to my friends our mutual friends was

3363
02:41:40,070 --> 02:41:38,100
like you know this stuff reads like

3364
02:41:41,990 --> 02:41:40,080
science fiction I just think you know

3365
02:41:45,410 --> 02:41:42,000
people were paid to to write their

3366
02:41:48,770 --> 02:41:45,420
fantasies down and and now I'm not so

3367
02:41:52,550 --> 02:41:48,780
sure right I don't I was pretty critical

3368
02:41:56,090 --> 02:41:52,560
of it at the time but uh what most

3369
02:41:59,450 --> 02:41:56,100
people need to grasp is this thought

3370
02:42:01,969 --> 02:41:59,460
the universe is 95 billion light years

3371
02:42:05,389 --> 02:42:01,979
across the visible Universe the

3372
02:42:08,510 --> 02:42:05,399
observable universe 95 billion it's it's

3373
02:42:10,190 --> 02:42:08,520
it's it's a really big place and when we

3374
02:42:12,290 --> 02:42:10,200
are talking about something that's a

3375
02:42:14,630 --> 02:42:12,300
thousand light years away that's

3376
02:42:16,730 --> 02:42:14,640
actually very very close that's a

3377
02:42:19,670 --> 02:42:16,740
stellar neighbor when you're talking

3378
02:42:22,670 --> 02:42:19,680
about 95 billion light years across but

3379
02:42:26,510 --> 02:42:22,680
as close as that may be

3380
02:42:29,710 --> 02:42:26,520
it would take a thousand years

3381
02:42:34,550 --> 02:42:29,720
at the speed of light in a ship

3382
02:42:37,969 --> 02:42:34,560
that's that's not doable right at the

3383
02:42:41,750 --> 02:42:37,979
speed of light right a thousand so how

3384
02:42:45,290 --> 02:42:41,760
are they getting it done and this moment

3385
02:42:47,870 --> 02:42:45,300
in the film a tear in the sky explains a

3386
02:42:50,330 --> 02:42:47,880
lot it's not about the speed of light it

3387
02:42:53,270 --> 02:42:50,340
would be at the speed of now right

3388
02:42:55,550 --> 02:42:53,280
Michael yeah no you got and and you're

3389
02:42:58,730 --> 02:42:55,560
thinking like a lawyer now uh literally

3390
02:43:01,429 --> 02:42:58,740
I mean you you you eliminate the

3391
02:43:03,469 --> 02:43:01,439
possibilities that can't happen and

3392
02:43:06,110 --> 02:43:03,479
again you you figure out well what

3393
02:43:07,670 --> 02:43:06,120
what's the thing that's left

3394
02:43:09,370 --> 02:43:07,680
um there's got to be a way to do it

3395
02:43:12,650 --> 02:43:09,380
somehow

3396
02:43:15,410 --> 02:43:12,660
an easy way too it's not difficult it's

3397
02:43:17,690 --> 02:43:15,420
easy oh yeah yeah I mean people have

3398
02:43:19,849 --> 02:43:17,700
said Bigfoot does the same thing just

3399
02:43:22,490 --> 02:43:19,859
disappears on them you know into another

3400
02:43:24,290 --> 02:43:22,500
dimension potentially and when they're

3401
02:43:26,570 --> 02:43:24,300
talking about dimensions in the Admiral

3402
02:43:30,410 --> 02:43:26,580
Wilson memo that just blew me away I'm

3403
02:43:35,210 --> 02:43:32,450
um excuse me

3404
02:43:38,450 --> 02:43:35,220
sorry about that that's why I have a

3405
02:43:41,809 --> 02:43:38,460
mute button can you hear me uh Clear My

3406
02:43:45,530 --> 02:43:41,819
Throat nope right you did that very well

3407
02:43:46,730 --> 02:43:45,540
not even you can hear it right okay I

3408
02:43:48,710 --> 02:43:46,740
love that

3409
02:43:52,250 --> 02:43:48,720
um because it's nasty

3410
02:43:56,210 --> 02:43:52,260
um but but here I think is is the point

3411
02:43:59,090 --> 02:43:56,220
that uh that needs to be driven home

3412
02:44:02,210 --> 02:43:59,100
in a tear in the sky

3413
02:44:06,170 --> 02:44:02,220
um previous to a tear in the sky I

3414
02:44:07,849 --> 02:44:06,180
should say the thought was always

3415
02:44:09,349 --> 02:44:07,859
um and rightly so because we didn't

3416
02:44:11,570 --> 02:44:09,359
understand

3417
02:44:14,330 --> 02:44:11,580
um we're talking about nuts and bolts

3418
02:44:18,290 --> 02:44:14,340
flying saucers with aliens you know

3419
02:44:20,750 --> 02:44:18,300
flying forever uh you know from star

3420
02:44:22,490 --> 02:44:20,760
system to star system right Ten Thousand

3421
02:44:24,830 --> 02:44:22,500
Years Twenty Thousand Years thirty

3422
02:44:27,490 --> 02:44:24,840
thousand just you know cruising it

3423
02:44:30,950 --> 02:44:27,500
didn't make sense because

3424
02:44:32,630 --> 02:44:30,960
if if we talk about the craft that are

3425
02:44:39,830 --> 02:44:32,640
here

3426
02:44:42,530 --> 02:44:39,840
yeah how how do you what do you mean you

3427
02:44:46,910 --> 02:44:42,540
just have a seat right you just haven't

3428
02:44:50,290 --> 02:44:46,920
you're flying for uh you know a million

3429
02:44:54,290 --> 02:44:50,300
light years right a million light years

3430
02:44:57,230 --> 02:44:54,300
in a in a seat uh you don't you don't

3431
02:45:00,230 --> 02:44:57,240
have a pool right you don't have

3432
02:45:02,510 --> 02:45:00,240
entertainment you don't have artwork on

3433
02:45:06,650 --> 02:45:02,520
the wall nothing you just have this

3434
02:45:09,110 --> 02:45:06,660
sterile atmosphere and and you're doing

3435
02:45:11,990 --> 02:45:09,120
that for for tens of thousands of years

3436
02:45:13,370 --> 02:45:12,000
no you wouldn't you would sit in this

3437
02:45:15,410 --> 02:45:13,380
seat

3438
02:45:19,070 --> 02:45:15,420
for a minute

3439
02:45:22,070 --> 02:45:19,080
now that makes sense doesn't it Michael

3440
02:45:23,870 --> 02:45:22,080
yeah no you got you you would have made

3441
02:45:26,389 --> 02:45:23,880
a great defense attorney I tell you

3442
02:45:28,429 --> 02:45:26,399
coming up with those kinds of analogies

3443
02:45:30,710 --> 02:45:28,439
because indeed

3444
02:45:32,870 --> 02:45:30,720
um you know if if this is happening all

3445
02:45:34,670 --> 02:45:32,880
over the world and it definitely is one

3446
02:45:36,469 --> 02:45:34,680
of one of my clients Peter Davenport you

3447
02:45:39,349 --> 02:45:36,479
know runs the National UFO Reporting

3448
02:45:41,270 --> 02:45:39,359
Center and it Lee says it's just crazy

3449
02:45:43,730 --> 02:45:41,280
how many reports and he thinks that

3450
02:45:45,710 --> 02:45:43,740
there's only like one in a thousand

3451
02:45:48,230 --> 02:45:45,720
reports are even reported so people are

3452
02:45:51,590 --> 02:45:48,240
seeing these things all over the planet

3453
02:45:54,469 --> 02:45:51,600
so often and now becoming I think closer

3454
02:45:56,570 --> 02:45:54,479
and closer encounters uh that it's

3455
02:45:59,030 --> 02:45:56,580
happening so some somehow they've got to

3456
02:46:01,490 --> 02:45:59,040
be able to get here and get back uh and

3457
02:46:03,950 --> 02:46:01,500
or maybe have bases in under the uh

3458
02:46:05,630 --> 02:46:03,960
ground here on the planet or someplace

3459
02:46:07,429 --> 02:46:05,640
like Antarctica whatever you know

3460
02:46:10,429 --> 02:46:07,439
they're they're talking about but uh

3461
02:46:13,010 --> 02:46:10,439
it's uh it's just a fascinating time to

3462
02:46:15,349 --> 02:46:13,020
be alive I am so pleased that I'm still

3463
02:46:17,990 --> 02:46:15,359
here to be able to uh see what's going

3464
02:46:23,389 --> 02:46:18,000
to be happening tomorrow

3465
02:46:27,889 --> 02:46:23,399
which is exactly the point and if uh

3466
02:46:31,550 --> 02:46:27,899
um the UFO UAP report comes out

3467
02:46:33,410 --> 02:46:31,560
and it the thing is it was in the ndaa

3468
02:46:36,349 --> 02:46:33,420
in the budget last year that this would

3469
02:46:38,389 --> 02:46:36,359
this is law by the way you knew that

3470
02:46:40,969 --> 02:46:38,399
they would skirt it somehow but that

3471
02:46:44,090 --> 02:46:40,979
October 31st was the deadline for it

3472
02:46:48,349 --> 02:46:44,100
well obviously were that was a month ago

3473
02:46:50,929 --> 02:46:48,359
uh today is November 21st not quite a

3474
02:46:54,309 --> 02:46:50,939
month ago so it's three weeks ago

3475
02:46:56,270 --> 02:46:54,319
um uh would you anticipate

3476
02:47:00,349 --> 02:46:56,280
uh an

3477
02:47:02,750 --> 02:47:00,359
ET mention in the report or is it going

3478
02:47:04,370 --> 02:47:02,760
to be less of an impact than the last

3479
02:47:07,550 --> 02:47:04,380
report

3480
02:47:09,710 --> 02:47:07,560
I think this will be more of an impact

3481
02:47:12,349 --> 02:47:09,720
than the last report from that's what

3482
02:47:14,210 --> 02:47:12,359
I'm anticipating uh only because I've

3483
02:47:15,889 --> 02:47:14,220
heard the rumors out there that there's

3484
02:47:18,290 --> 02:47:15,899
going to be a major announcement coming

3485
02:47:20,389 --> 02:47:18,300
uh down the road and I don't know what

3486
02:47:23,389 --> 02:47:20,399
it's going to be but the only Next Step

3487
02:47:25,030 --> 02:47:23,399
that they have available to them is to

3488
02:47:28,309 --> 02:47:25,040
confirm the existence of

3489
02:47:29,330 --> 02:47:28,319
extraterrestrials life on other planets

3490
02:47:31,969 --> 02:47:29,340
um I don't know if they're going to go

3491
02:47:33,230 --> 02:47:31,979
as far as uh saying that yeah they're

3492
02:47:35,630 --> 02:47:33,240
here on the planet and they've been here

3493
02:47:38,210 --> 02:47:35,640
for for eons uh I don't know if that's

3494
02:47:39,889 --> 02:47:38,220
going to be in the next report but uh

3495
02:47:42,110 --> 02:47:39,899
I'm kind of holding my breath a little

3496
02:47:44,809 --> 02:47:42,120
bit because the fact that I think it was

3497
02:47:48,110 --> 02:47:44,819
delayed was maybe a good thing because I

3498
02:47:51,050 --> 02:47:48,120
think the report was given to the

3499
02:47:52,550 --> 02:47:51,060
Congress and said this isn't going to

3500
02:47:55,010 --> 02:47:52,560
fly we need to do something better than

3501
02:47:57,110 --> 02:47:55,020
this and sent them backpacking to try to

3502
02:47:59,349 --> 02:47:57,120
find some more uh details so I'm hoping

3503
02:48:03,410 --> 02:47:59,359
that's going to be some meat on this one

3504
02:48:05,870 --> 02:48:03,420
did you are did you hear this from

3505
02:48:08,750 --> 02:48:05,880
chatter from wash Washington D.C

3506
02:48:10,910 --> 02:48:08,760
no I heard this from just a ufology

3507
02:48:13,849 --> 02:48:10,920
chatter matter of fact uh

3508
02:48:16,670 --> 02:48:13,859
um James Fox mentioned something in his

3509
02:48:19,429 --> 02:48:16,680
promotion of his new film that uh

3510
02:48:21,889 --> 02:48:19,439
somebody in high ranking Authority told

3511
02:48:24,770 --> 02:48:21,899
him that you don't realize how timely

3512
02:48:29,030 --> 02:48:24,780
your release of your movie is is going

3513
02:48:32,570 --> 02:48:29,040
to be well okay so back to the point

3514
02:48:34,370 --> 02:48:32,580
that I wanted to ask you about with uh

3515
02:48:37,250 --> 02:48:34,380
you know the release of this report and

3516
02:48:39,290 --> 02:48:37,260
we have you know the citizen Army you

3517
02:48:41,210 --> 02:48:39,300
know out there doing their own research

3518
02:48:44,330 --> 02:48:41,220
to get the stuff done like with Caroline

3519
02:48:46,730 --> 02:48:44,340
Corey and the team that she assembled uh

3520
02:48:50,450 --> 02:48:46,740
for this film that this is something

3521
02:48:53,150 --> 02:48:50,460
that uh should be looked at shouldn't

3522
02:48:57,410 --> 02:48:53,160
the Senate and shouldn't Congress be

3523
02:49:00,710 --> 02:48:57,420
aware of the the discovery and the data

3524
02:49:04,250 --> 02:49:00,720
that was collected for a tear in the sky

3525
02:49:06,230 --> 02:49:04,260
yeah they should call Carolyn Corey as a

3526
02:49:07,790 --> 02:49:06,240
witness uh obviously

3527
02:49:09,230 --> 02:49:07,800
um and of course all the other people

3528
02:49:11,270 --> 02:49:09,240
that were involved in the movie would be

3529
02:49:13,790 --> 02:49:11,280
good witnesses as well but

3530
02:49:15,530 --> 02:49:13,800
um literally if they're

3531
02:49:17,870 --> 02:49:15,540
um if they really want to find out

3532
02:49:20,870 --> 02:49:17,880
what's going on they could uh there was

3533
02:49:22,190 --> 02:49:20,880
that one uh Congressman McCarthy who

3534
02:49:24,170 --> 02:49:22,200
literally seemed to know what was

3535
02:49:25,910 --> 02:49:24,180
happening on you know the behind the

3536
02:49:28,010 --> 02:49:25,920
scenes with the Admiral Wilson memo and

3537
02:49:30,710 --> 02:49:28,020
those kinds of folks so they've got the

3538
02:49:32,929 --> 02:49:30,720
ability to find out if they have the

3539
02:49:35,809 --> 02:49:32,939
political will to find out and that's

3540
02:49:37,790 --> 02:49:35,819
what I'm hoping at one point

3541
02:49:40,550 --> 02:49:37,800
um I think they're going to be pushed by

3542
02:49:43,790 --> 02:49:40,560
their constituents the public to really

3543
02:49:46,610 --> 02:49:43,800
do something about this and find out you

3544
02:49:48,590 --> 02:49:46,620
know what's going on with disclosure why

3545
02:49:51,770 --> 02:49:48,600
why do you think

3546
02:49:54,230 --> 02:49:51,780
um the conversation is it because of the

3547
02:49:57,469 --> 02:49:54,240
elections you know the midterms uh well

3548
02:49:59,450 --> 02:49:57,479
why why the chatter is is down

3549
02:50:03,050 --> 02:49:59,460
um in Washington right now when it comes

3550
02:50:04,610 --> 02:50:03,060
to uh UFOs and new APS I think that's

3551
02:50:07,370 --> 02:50:04,620
exactly what it was the midterm

3552
02:50:09,830 --> 02:50:07,380
elections took priority uh of course and

3553
02:50:12,170 --> 02:50:09,840
I think now is an interesting time and

3554
02:50:13,730 --> 02:50:12,180
that's maybe the rumor that we're

3555
02:50:15,770 --> 02:50:13,740
hearing that there's going to be some

3556
02:50:18,950 --> 02:50:15,780
kind of an announcement of you know some

3557
02:50:21,050 --> 02:50:18,960
import uh because the elections are now

3558
02:50:23,210 --> 02:50:21,060
over with and you know we got a few

3559
02:50:25,550 --> 02:50:23,220
years before the the next round of

3560
02:50:29,150 --> 02:50:25,560
Elections and I think that there is

3561
02:50:32,150 --> 02:50:29,160
somebody wanting to be the disclosure

3562
02:50:34,370 --> 02:50:32,160
person or president or Congressman out

3563
02:50:37,550 --> 02:50:34,380
there there's definitely people lining

3564
02:50:40,010 --> 02:50:37,560
up you know for that kind of

3565
02:50:41,690 --> 02:50:40,020
um important person you know that

3566
02:50:42,770 --> 02:50:41,700
they're that they're they're potentially

3567
02:50:46,309 --> 02:50:42,780
going to be if they make the

3568
02:50:48,710 --> 02:50:46,319
announcement why do you think

3569
02:50:52,190 --> 02:50:48,720
um if we I've been talking about Jay

3570
02:50:55,670 --> 02:50:52,200
Allen heineck a lot lately and uh I've

3571
02:50:58,389 --> 02:50:55,680
I've read uh his book the report on UFOs

3572
02:51:01,370 --> 02:50:58,399
you know the Project Blue Book

3573
02:51:05,929 --> 02:51:01,380
uh report that he had that that book

3574
02:51:09,190 --> 02:51:05,939
came out in 1977 and if we go back and

3575
02:51:13,070 --> 02:51:09,200
you listen you read his words in there

3576
02:51:15,610 --> 02:51:13,080
and most of if not all but most of the

3577
02:51:20,150 --> 02:51:15,620
points that he makes in that book in

3578
02:51:22,670 --> 02:51:20,160
1977 almost 50 years ago right the

3579
02:51:25,429 --> 02:51:22,680
points that he makes are what we are

3580
02:51:27,830 --> 02:51:25,439
going through today

3581
02:51:29,750 --> 02:51:27,840
um I I just brought up I know this

3582
02:51:30,590 --> 02:51:29,760
sounds crazy but I'm just going to say

3583
02:51:34,670 --> 02:51:30,600
it

3584
02:51:39,110 --> 02:51:34,680
I brought up the TV series UFO

3585
02:51:41,809 --> 02:51:39,120
right Jerry and Sylvia Anderson the

3586
02:51:44,630 --> 02:51:41,819
Thunderbirds puppets and all of that

3587
02:51:51,170 --> 02:51:44,640
it's a great TV series but in that TV

3588
02:51:53,690 --> 02:51:51,180
series 1970 they are talking about how

3589
02:51:56,030 --> 02:51:53,700
E.T is traveling these great distances

3590
02:52:00,830 --> 02:51:56,040
they mention

3591
02:52:08,210 --> 02:52:03,730
they're doing this over 50 years ago

3592
02:52:12,290 --> 02:52:08,220
they they reference the hysteria that

3593
02:52:14,929 --> 02:52:12,300
would be caused if we disclose the

3594
02:52:17,450 --> 02:52:14,939
knowledge of VT and how they are getting

3595
02:52:20,570 --> 02:52:17,460
here and how they are getting here and

3596
02:52:22,550 --> 02:52:20,580
they bring up Einstein This Is 50 years

3597
02:52:24,349 --> 02:52:22,560
ago it seems like we haven't made any

3598
02:52:26,510 --> 02:52:24,359
progress

3599
02:52:28,610 --> 02:52:26,520
no there's definitely been a concerted

3600
02:52:31,010 --> 02:52:28,620
effort to keep a lid on the entire

3601
02:52:33,530 --> 02:52:31,020
subject matter

3602
02:52:35,389 --> 02:52:33,540
um we've made you know dribbles of

3603
02:52:38,809 --> 02:52:35,399
progress you know with disclosure over

3604
02:52:40,849 --> 02:52:38,819
the last five years at least but uh

3605
02:52:44,809 --> 02:52:40,859
um I think it's getting to one of those

3606
02:52:47,030 --> 02:52:44,819
uh you know brimming points where uh

3607
02:52:49,910 --> 02:52:47,040
Parts where it's going to overflow I

3608
02:52:51,650 --> 02:52:49,920
mean it's just getting too uh amazing

3609
02:52:52,849 --> 02:52:51,660
out there the disclosures that are

3610
02:52:56,150 --> 02:52:52,859
happening

3611
02:52:58,250 --> 02:52:56,160
um in the civilian realm uh even and

3612
02:53:00,830 --> 02:52:58,260
sometimes even in the military realm as

3613
02:53:02,870 --> 02:53:00,840
well now because uh Kevin day

3614
02:53:04,610 --> 02:53:02,880
um the petty officer on the Nimitz has

3615
02:53:06,710 --> 02:53:04,620
been like you know

3616
02:53:09,230 --> 02:53:06,720
um basically corroborated with what

3617
02:53:12,290 --> 02:53:09,240
what's been happening to him all these

3618
02:53:15,769 --> 02:53:12,300
these years and you know many other

3619
02:53:18,290 --> 02:53:15,779
um reports for instance of the um the

3620
02:53:21,469 --> 02:53:18,300
damage that potentially has been done by

3621
02:53:24,290 --> 02:53:21,479
Close Encounters uh with uh you know E.T

3622
02:53:26,809 --> 02:53:24,300
craft and those kinds of things uh Dr uh

3623
02:53:29,030 --> 02:53:26,819
uh Nolan and uh Eric

3624
02:53:31,910 --> 02:53:29,040
um uh some of the other people that are

3625
02:53:34,490 --> 02:53:31,920
working in the CIA working on studying

3626
02:53:35,929 --> 02:53:34,500
uh experiencers and their brain patterns

3627
02:53:38,090 --> 02:53:35,939
and those kinds of things finding out

3628
02:53:40,849 --> 02:53:38,100
that wow this is this is really

3629
02:53:42,110 --> 02:53:40,859
affecting human beings here in many ways

3630
02:53:44,030 --> 02:53:42,120
so

3631
02:53:45,469 --> 02:53:44,040
um it's getting to the point where

3632
02:53:49,250 --> 02:53:45,479
they're gonna have to do something to

3633
02:53:52,429 --> 02:53:49,260
say what's really going on does does the

3634
02:53:55,070 --> 02:53:52,439
president have any juice here you know

3635
02:53:56,269 --> 02:53:55,080
is there a juice card that that can be

3636
02:53:59,690 --> 02:53:56,279
pulled out

3637
02:54:04,250 --> 02:53:59,700
and and used or is this is this

3638
02:54:07,250 --> 02:54:04,260
something that is is simply uh not in

3639
02:54:08,570 --> 02:54:07,260
the realm of of a power broker to

3640
02:54:11,690 --> 02:54:08,580
influence

3641
02:54:13,370 --> 02:54:11,700
yeah well typical administrations would

3642
02:54:16,550 --> 02:54:13,380
not have a clue I mean you know Barack

3643
02:54:19,190 --> 02:54:16,560
Obama and uh uh Jimmy Carter

3644
02:54:21,110 --> 02:54:19,200
um Hillary Clinton Hillary Clinton Bill

3645
02:54:22,790 --> 02:54:21,120
Clinton all those guys have talked about

3646
02:54:24,950 --> 02:54:22,800
trying to find information they were

3647
02:54:26,450 --> 02:54:24,960
shut down as well because they weren't

3648
02:54:28,030 --> 02:54:26,460
on the bigot list you know like they're

3649
02:54:31,670 --> 02:54:28,040
we're talking about with Admiral Wilson

3650
02:54:35,389 --> 02:54:31,680
so in normal uh situations the president

3651
02:54:37,610 --> 02:54:35,399
United States probably just a figurehead

3652
02:54:40,429 --> 02:54:37,620
um but there are people behind the

3653
02:54:42,050 --> 02:54:40,439
scenes that are lifers you know what

3654
02:54:43,730 --> 02:54:42,060
they do out there that they know what's

3655
02:54:46,370 --> 02:54:43,740
going on and

3656
02:54:48,769 --> 02:54:46,380
um I have a feeling that if indeed uh

3657
02:54:50,870 --> 02:54:48,779
they've been given um you know clearance

3658
02:54:53,630 --> 02:54:50,880
to be able to say things which I

3659
02:54:57,110 --> 02:54:53,640
understand is in the works that things

3660
02:55:00,110 --> 02:54:57,120
could change very quickly

3661
02:55:02,150 --> 02:55:00,120
um uh Marty just posted this

3662
02:55:06,349 --> 02:55:02,160
I want your opinion on this the

3663
02:55:09,910 --> 02:55:06,359
president can declassify yes

3664
02:55:12,950 --> 02:55:09,920
can declassify government documents

3665
02:55:17,710 --> 02:55:12,960
right if if they choose they could

3666
02:55:23,870 --> 02:55:17,720
change the classification but can they

3667
02:55:25,490 --> 02:55:23,880
declassify an sap in the private sector

3668
02:55:27,349 --> 02:55:25,500
no and they're not even going to know

3669
02:55:29,990 --> 02:55:27,359
what to declassify because they're not

3670
02:55:31,790 --> 02:55:30,000
going to get close enough to even know

3671
02:55:35,389 --> 02:55:31,800
you know what they're going to request

3672
02:55:37,490 --> 02:55:35,399
to be class Declassified it was a good

3673
02:55:39,830 --> 02:55:37,500
good point because that's what uh

3674
02:55:41,450 --> 02:55:39,840
Trump's uh you know argument is about

3675
02:55:44,809 --> 02:55:41,460
those documents that he kept at

3676
02:55:47,269 --> 02:55:44,819
mar-a-lingo uh is that he Declassified

3677
02:55:49,130 --> 02:55:47,279
them before he took them but in reality

3678
02:55:50,630 --> 02:55:49,140
these were government documents that

3679
02:55:53,330 --> 02:55:50,640
he's talking about they're not talking

3680
02:55:55,250 --> 02:55:53,340
about independent contractors uh

3681
02:55:58,010 --> 02:55:55,260
civilian contractors and what they are

3682
02:56:00,410 --> 02:55:58,020
keeping secret yeah I I thought it was

3683
02:56:02,630 --> 02:56:00,420
funny uh Jimmy when when the threesome

3684
02:56:05,269 --> 02:56:02,640
The Gatekeepers uh were trying to keep

3685
02:56:07,790 --> 02:56:05,279
away from uh the Admiral and and it was

3686
02:56:09,889 --> 02:56:07,800
the the corporate attorney who gave the

3687
02:56:11,450 --> 02:56:09,899
the green light to tell him I was just

3688
02:56:15,290 --> 02:56:11,460
going oh my God the lawyers are

3689
02:56:17,870 --> 02:56:15,300
everywhere you know yeah that that I

3690
02:56:20,929 --> 02:56:17,880
thought that that was such um a great

3691
02:56:22,090 --> 02:56:20,939
moment uh you know I I brought that up

3692
02:56:25,250 --> 02:56:22,100
for years

3693
02:56:27,349 --> 02:56:25,260
those comments on that page about that

3694
02:56:30,469 --> 02:56:27,359
conversation which again I'm going to

3695
02:56:32,870 --> 02:56:30,479
say Lockheed may not uh may not be

3696
02:56:35,330 --> 02:56:32,880
Lockheed that conversation was an

3697
02:56:39,590 --> 02:56:35,340
important one and how it was dealt with

3698
02:56:41,990 --> 02:56:39,600
they literally said cry dude cry go

3699
02:56:45,710 --> 02:56:42,000
ahead it's not going to make a

3700
02:56:47,330 --> 02:56:45,720
difference you know you can imagine the

3701
02:56:49,309 --> 02:56:47,340
guts that these threesome The

3702
02:56:51,230 --> 02:56:49,319
Gatekeepers had to have to say that I

3703
02:56:54,050 --> 02:56:51,240
mean these guys the uh the head of

3704
02:56:55,730 --> 02:56:54,060
security was was an NSA officer he

3705
02:56:57,710 --> 02:56:55,740
leaves from the government

3706
02:56:59,929 --> 02:56:57,720
um the project managers been going up to

3707
02:57:02,750 --> 02:56:59,939
the ranks I mean all these guys know the

3708
02:57:04,910 --> 02:57:02,760
power that is in the military they know

3709
02:57:06,469 --> 02:57:04,920
what they're doing but they were totally

3710
02:57:09,849 --> 02:57:06,479
confident that they didn't have to tell

3711
02:57:13,790 --> 02:57:09,859
them anything yeah now how cocky

3712
02:57:16,730 --> 02:57:13,800
are you if you're gonna go

3713
02:57:19,090 --> 02:57:16,740
whatever man whatever just whatever man

3714
02:57:22,570 --> 02:57:19,100
do what you gotta do

3715
02:57:27,170 --> 02:57:22,580
you know that you are

3716
02:57:29,210 --> 02:57:27,180
uh holding on to get out of jail free

3717
02:57:32,150 --> 02:57:29,220
card in your pocket it's like the Willy

3718
02:57:35,269 --> 02:57:32,160
Wonka golden ticket where you literally

3719
02:57:38,210 --> 02:57:35,279
are just good to say to the Joint Chiefs

3720
02:57:40,849 --> 02:57:38,220
of the J2 whatever man it's cool

3721
02:57:42,650 --> 02:57:40,859
whatever and and to put that in

3722
02:57:45,230 --> 02:57:42,660
perspective too is that they had

3723
02:57:47,929 --> 02:57:45,240
previously gone through the same

3724
02:57:51,170 --> 02:57:47,939
scenario a few years before and

3725
02:57:53,570 --> 02:57:51,180
literally we're backed up then you know

3726
02:57:56,269 --> 02:57:53,580
and by Congress by the you know powers

3727
02:57:58,309 --> 02:57:56,279
that be uh to really put the lid down

3728
02:58:00,469 --> 02:57:58,319
tight so they really had that behind

3729
02:58:01,910 --> 02:58:00,479
them in their brains as well saying you

3730
02:58:03,830 --> 02:58:01,920
know you're not going to get anywhere

3731
02:58:05,809 --> 02:58:03,840
Admiral and I'm sorry to tell you this

3732
02:58:07,550 --> 02:58:05,819
but you don't have a need to know man

3733
02:58:08,870 --> 02:58:07,560
Michael you're the very best my friend

3734
02:58:11,690 --> 02:58:08,880
thank you for this conversation

3735
02:58:13,790 --> 02:58:11,700
excellent excellent show

3736
02:58:16,190 --> 02:58:13,800
um now you said like three times tonight

3737
02:58:19,730 --> 02:58:16,200
two weeks on the book

3738
02:58:21,769 --> 02:58:19,740
what's the deal I'm I'm waiting for your

3739
02:58:23,050 --> 02:58:21,779
your forward remember that you wanted to

3740
02:58:25,969 --> 02:58:23,060
write for me

3741
02:58:27,950 --> 02:58:25,979
it is ready it is literally ready to go

3742
02:58:30,110 --> 02:58:27,960
and I don't want to send it off to the

3743
02:58:31,849 --> 02:58:30,120
printer until if you want to you know

3744
02:58:34,010 --> 02:58:31,859
I'm not making you do it but if you want

3745
02:58:35,750 --> 02:58:34,020
to I need your uh little blurb or

3746
02:58:38,510 --> 02:58:35,760
forward all right all right all right

3747
02:58:41,510 --> 02:58:38,520
I'll get you that tomorrow so then I get

3748
02:58:43,670 --> 02:58:41,520
you what you need two weeks

3749
02:58:46,429 --> 02:58:43,680
uh yeah yeah definitely it's gonna be

3750
02:58:48,349 --> 02:58:46,439
probably be uh well before

3751
02:58:49,790 --> 02:58:48,359
um Christmas I I want this thing to be

3752
02:58:52,250 --> 02:58:49,800
available to people for Christmas

3753
02:58:54,650 --> 02:58:52,260
presents if they want to on Amazon and

3754
02:58:57,590 --> 02:58:54,660
everywhere else I I accept the challenge

3755
02:58:59,330 --> 02:58:57,600
and the pressure Michael have a great

3756
02:59:02,090 --> 02:58:59,340
night my friend Happy Thanksgiving

3757
02:59:03,349 --> 02:59:02,100
wonderful show thank you so much you're

3758
02:59:07,090 --> 02:59:03,359
welcome thank you

3759
02:59:10,190 --> 02:59:07,100
the absolute very best Michael W Hall

3760
02:59:12,950 --> 02:59:10,200
and uh yeah the book is going to be out

3761
02:59:15,710 --> 02:59:12,960
in two weeks very excited about this the

3762
02:59:18,969 --> 02:59:15,720
Wilson Davis document uh I'll say it

3763
02:59:22,370 --> 02:59:18,979
again Richard Dolan put it out there

3764
02:59:24,190 --> 02:59:22,380
very early that this could be the

3765
02:59:27,230 --> 02:59:24,200
Smoking Gun the most important document

3766
02:59:29,450 --> 02:59:27,240
in in UFO history

3767
02:59:31,670 --> 02:59:29,460
turns out he was right I'm young Jimmy

3768
02:59:35,150 --> 02:59:31,680
church thank you Michael W Hall perfect

3769
02:59:37,910 --> 02:59:35,160
show great way to start off the week

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Fade to Black is produced by Hill J Palm

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Renee Dennis and Kevin announcers are

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Steve harder Gene Vito Mark D kovar

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webmasters drew the geek music Doug

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Aldridge intro space boy

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spaceboymusic.com

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Fade to Black is produced by kjcr for

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the game changer Network and this

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broadcast is owned and copyrighted

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2022 by Fade to Black in the game

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changer Network game it cannot be

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rebroadcast downloaded copied or used

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anywhere in the known universe without

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written permission from Fade to Black in

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the game changer Network I'm Yours Jimmy

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Church

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tomorrow night Jack Roth

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it's the anniversary of the JFK

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assassination we're going to be talking

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about his new book Killing Kennedy until

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then be safe